Talk:Philippine Airlines Flight 434

I was the pilot of that flight PR 434 Manila-Cenb- Narita together with Capt Reyes and SE Dexter Commemdador. We survived the bomb explosion.

First Officer Jaime Alvarez Herrera — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.125.110.44 (talk) 12:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism: redirected from Jaime Herrera
I searched for "Jaime Herrera", the Republican candidate for congress in the USA 2010 federal elections, and it was redirected to this site. This is clearly vandalism and merits immediate attention by admins more skilled than I. Thank you.--Wikibojopayne (talk) 03:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, at the time, it wasn't vandalism; the first officer of this plane is named "Jaime Herrera", and because of this flight's infamy, it so happens that searching for that name on Wikipedia would bring you to this page instead of to the Herrera page (which I noticed that you just populated with candidate-specific information on 2 September 2010, when it previously was redirected to take you to the page about the flight that Officer Herrera survived). Sorry that it happens to be the same name as the Republican candidate, but to my trained eye, it doesn't look like vandalism at all. Scarletsmith (talk) 21:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Horrible way...
What a horrible way to die. Sorry Haruki Ikegami. RIP.

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What happened to the flight?
 Nowadays, the flight no longer originates in Manila, and is strictly a Cebu-Tokyo flight. 

See also

 The flight still exists between Manila-Tokyo daily with an additional route of Cebu-Tokyo 

These seem to contradict. Anybody know the answer? Kd5mdk 13:43, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I know - those are now two separate flights. WhisperToMe 16:39, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My father was on that flight
I doubt anyone will ever see this post but I just so happened to come across this article while doing some research for class. He was sitting about 10 seats behind the man whose seat the bomb was under so he was uninjured. I was living in Cebu at that time and I heard that the bomb was a test for a bomb to be placed by the Abu Sayyaf on the plane that the Pope was going to be taking in the next few weeks or so. That was the news that we heard in the Philippines. I thought it was interesting that it wasn't mentioned here.


 * It is mentioned; see the link to "Operation Bojinka" in the "Aftermath" section.

Fuel tank
Was there any evidence Ramzi Yousef targeted the fuel tank? It seems likely but if there's evidence he did we should mention it Nil Einne 10:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. This was discovered when Yousef's flat in Manila was raided and the information on the Bojinka Plot was found.  Among the documentation in Yousef's possession was a chart of the standard 747 seating configuration.  This information is also contained in the "Mayday" special about flight 434. Scarletsmith (talk) 20:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Superman!
His body was ripped in half by the explosion...and he died several minutes later? Sherurcij (Because you can't fight terror by spreading fear) 01:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure exactly how that happened, but I get both pieces of data from different sources. The lower part of the body (which was hit) has the guts - As long as the heart and/brain is not hit, death could come more slowly. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In addition, if the vein that was hit was the lower vena cava or a lower pelvic vein, the body bleeds out slower. If the aorta--the body's biggest artery--gets ripped, death is almost instantaneous.  (Even small aortic injuries can kill in under 60 minutes--thus the term "Critical Hour" or "Golden Hour" when referring to a trauma patient.)  Patients who are pinned in certain positions can survive a vena cava hit until they are moved, even if their lower half is practically gone, because the vena cava tends to clot off faster than the aorta, which has a constant pressure of blood from the heart. Scarletsmith (talk) 19:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Bomb Making Guide
Wow ! Wikipedia teaches us what chemicals we need to make a bomb that can get through customs undetected ! Nice going ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.47.66.186 (talk) 07:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You realize that this was a plot back in 1995, right? Nowadays airport security would detect something like this. Back in 1995 this was undectectable, but airport security people learned from this. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WhisperToMe, are you speaking here of all airport security people at all the world's airports? Do we have your personal guarantee on that? -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wtmitchell: This incident happened in 1995, even before 9/11. This incident (including Yousef's modus operandi on how to sneak the bomb components past airport security) is also very well-documented in reliable sources. Airport security teams in much of the world have had plenty of time to revise procedures. This is common sense. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit out of touch with security procedures in first-world countries, having lived on a small island in the Philippines since 1996. My observation has been that security procedures in third-world countries, especially at at outlying domestic airports, tend to be a bit more lax than the procedures at, say, LAX. Procedures everywhere have tightened up over the years, but still tend to be nonuniform from airport to airport. That aside, my response to your remark above was unthinking and was not in keeping with (among other guidelines) WP:NOTFORUM. Regarding the question of whether the subject information should be removed from article, I would say no; even though my guess would be that a device similar to what this article describes could be gotten through security today at most of the world's airports. Wtmitchell (talk) 00:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC) (formerly signing self as Boracay Bill)

Double tautology
The captain of the flight, an experienced veteran pilot, landed the aircraft, saving the plane and all other passengers and crew. I think we can safely describe a 747 captain as a "veteran pilot", and therefore, quite experienced. Aboctok (talk) 19:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

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