Talk:Physical education/Archive 1

Untitled contribution 1 - Sports in other countries
I'd just like to point out that these sports may be popular for Physical Education in the US and Canada, but maybe it should be pointed out that in other countries different sports may be performed. e.g in the UK there's table tennis, netball, rugby etc.


 * Agreed. Mike Notthe9 20:00, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Untitled contribution 2 - Suggestions
Excellent start. Besides the suggestion above, I recommend explaining some phys-ed related issues such as (or not limited to):
 * more women as phys ed teachers
 * "nontraditional" games i.e. "pass the chicken" = inclusive vs. slacking off
 * health, D.A.R.E., drug education as a part of phys ed
 * "gym clothes" - what they are, etc.
 * connection with obesity epidemic

Covington 06:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Nazi image under history
This image seems to not fit at this point, as it has no direct connection to what is being talked about under history, though Nazi Germany is an intriguing part of the history of physical education. It seems to, with the image above (though it do not support removing it), give the article, and thus phys ed, a facist/totalitarian image. Historically, this article has had a problem with vandals berating Phys Ed / Gym, as fascist, etc., - I guess those who don't support its inclusion in curriculums? This seems like it might be a more subliminal, skilled piece of vandalism. I think we should take the Nazi pic out until the history section contains something on Nazi Germany. Chris b shanks 22:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

History section
I've begun a section on history which I'm currently in the process of researching and will be working on for a long time. Anyone who wishes to contribute can do so, but please give good references to everything, preferrably from textbooks, if possible. I want to keep it as reputable as possible. Thanks. Chris b shanks 02:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Quote by "Slick Locust"? Vandalism
I don't believe this quote in the Criticism section really fits in with the encyclopedic style of Wikipedia. Furthermore, if "Slick Locust" isn't important enough to have his own article (or even show up on a Google search), he probably isn't important enough to be quoted. I'll wait a few days to see if anyone disagrees with this removal. After that, I'll remove it. I actually think this is vandalism, to tell the truth. Chris b shanks 01:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe that quote by "Slick Locust" is a direct quote from the Family Guy episode, "Peter Griffin: Husband, Father...Brother?":[] Pretty close to verbatim. That is definitely a defaced page. --Jacob Land 00:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * also about the criticism section, is it supposed to say "this is well said" about nude boys in a shower? that almost seems like vandalism to me 68.201.7.3 20:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Cycling
Cycling of any kind is not included in this list, why/why not?


 * Probably just because nobody thought to put it in. (There is also a chance that it is not as widespread as other activities in the list.) As always, if you think something should be in an article and it isn't, feel free to add it. That is more helpful to Wikipedia than just pointing out things that are missing. Lycanthrope777 03:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Gym as a name for the subject
Though less common than it used to be (having been replaced largely by Physical Education), I still think Gym can be used as a name for the subject, and not merely the place in which it takes place. Support for this can be found in most dictionary's defintion of 'gym', albeit most British dictionaries regard it as slang, whereas American ones consider it a proper definition.Melander 15:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

American PE a response to World War 1?
Part of the proud history of compulsory institutionalized physical education in this country is that it was originally adopted in response to the fact that many of the young people who received physical examinations for the World War I draft were deemed unfit. I think that there should be something in here about the fact that it's origins perhaps did not have the welfare of the individual in mind so much as making sure that the youth were fit to be drafted in a time of need.


 * wow, that's really cool! If you can source it that would be great addition. OUt of curiosity, what country are you refering to, and do you know if similar reasoning took place in the other major powers of the time? Melander 14:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * [] Here's a web page that talks about it. I was referring to the United States, sorry if that wasn't clear. I'm not sure about other any countries.

The foot thing...
This article now is way, way too focused on children with bare feet. Freesoler01 appears to be on a mission to free the world from the tyranny of shoes...I'm going to cut out all the random foot stuff, okay? -Randomglitter 12:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC) b


 * I agree that at one point it put too much emphasis on that aspect of the P.E. uniform, but I think it is still worth at least mentioning because it is related to the topic of the uniform. However, I don't have any place to be the one to mention it; I don't know much about it because it is not a common practice in my country. Lycanthrope777 03:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Gym Class as Neo-Facism
I believe that there should be a section explaining that gym class exists for the purpose of ostracizing individuals considered different, and to give a chance to allow society's common scum to exact revenge upon their superior, more intelligent peers.74.67.228.2 21:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I am sorry that you are being bullied in your gym class. But that is hardly a reason for you to repeatedly vandalize this article with your complaints. This is an encyclopedia, not a place for you to vent your frustrations. Asarelah 21:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I would like to put in a paragraph that touches upon the topic of bullying in P.E. classes. Is this appropriate for the article, as long as it doesn't come across as "venting"? Is this article where that should go, or would it be more appropriate for the article about bullying? I think it's an important topic to mention, but I don't want to put it in the wrong article... Lycanthrope777 03:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that would be appropriate. However, I'm trying to see where this article is going in the long run (I'm a Phys Ed/Philosophy major, so I'm trying to make this article as objective as possible).  As I added to the intro, there are really two different ways that the term Phys Ed is used, that of the scientific study of the discipline, which is by no means limited to highschool PE classes, and that of the school class.  I'm thinking when the article gets fleshed out enough, we ought to somehow split the article into a science of Phys Ed (what would be referred to in university as Phys Ed, Recreation, and Sports Studies, or some variation) and an article just on the school aspects of it, as both seem in need of quite different articles.  Put bullying in here for now, but it may be moved to that other page later when we figure out what's going on.  Any help on the rest of the article would be greatly appreciated, but as many references as possible please :) (For example: the section I've been working on for History, which covers a broader scope, would be differentiated from, say, Curriculums) Chris b shanks 16:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Various concepts are not synonymous
I suggest to clarify that the concepts of physical education, physical fitness, gym/gymnastics and sports are substantially different, for wich it must not get confused as if they were synonymous. I cannot do it because I speak spanish and I would commit certain mistakes. You can visit the page for phisical education in the spanish version of Wikipedia. User:Fede_T of spanish Wikipedia.

Question about Japanese P.E.
In Japanese P.E., what is it called those students wearing red or crimson uniforms when they have an activity, is it "jersey" or something else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.215.113.108 (talk) 17:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)