Talk:Pierre Seel

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Wow.......very good article. I just read it, and I must say I'm impressed. Aside from a few French-to-English translation issues, this is nearly Featured Article worthy(in my opinion). I can't say I was very familiar with the homosexual prosecutions in WW2(in any real detail) until I read this. RogueJedi86 17:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The recent edits by Spylab seem to take away a lot from the article, it seems to me. I found the past edits in History more interesting than the current. The account of the dogs killing his friend, what I'd say is an important part of the story, has been completely removed, for one. Secondly, this death - the death of Jo - is later referenced with:

"He spent the last 12 years or so with his long-term partner, Eric Feliu, with whom he bred dogs in Toulouse, which helped him to overcome the fear of dogs he had developed after Jo's death."

That line is somewhat confusing with the entry having no other mention of Jo nor explanation for the fear of dogs.

Could I clean all this up myself? No, I can't be bothered... --Breshkovsky (talk) 05:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

"Biography"
This implausible narrative reads like a tall tale, not fact. More like an episode of Ripping Yarns. 99.247.1.157 (talk) 18:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Reason for arrest
Even if there are a lot of "tall stories" by Nazi victims this story seems not generally implausible. Mark that Seel doesn't pretend that Jo (his friend in Schirmeck-Vorbrück) was eaten by dogs (as has been inferred in the movie article), but only killed by dogs.

The insertion about Vichy legislation is somewhat confusing here, because Alsace was never under Vichy legislation.

Nevertheless: Why does the author tell us the reason why Seel came on a list of homosexuals in 1939, and why doesn't he tell us the reason why Seel was eventually arrested in 1941? Torturing or sodomizing him sounds not as if he was only routinely arrested as a homosexual. Again, this would be not improbable as a practice in a camp where the personnel had opportunities to satisfy their personal sadistic whims. But the torture is said to have been inflicted immediately (by local - Mulhouse - policemen???). Wikipedia French is uninformative so far.

One of the possible explanations is that Seel was in fact not arrested and deported as a homosexual, but from more serious reasons, and that this is downplayed because of the wish to present him as the token homosexual victim. Rheinvolk (talk) 11:38, 17 January 2017 (UTC)rheinvolk

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