Talk:Political philosophy

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Please don't be in love 2409:4071:E81:7D19:0:0:5A09:6808 (talk) 11:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Political bias in the Industrialization and the modern era section
This section meant to talk about political philosophy after industrialization and before the end of WW2. But this section talks at length about left-anarchism and socialism and names multiple thinkers and even talks about the intellectual history which socialist movements based on (Hegel, Marx etc.). Liberalism and fascism two very big defining political philosophy at that time is only mentioned by name. Bandasaka (talk) 12:27, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

"Monarchy" not a Good Description of Plato's Republic
This is my first discussion on wikipedia so I'm sorry if its not formatted well or doesn't do what it's meant to do. But I made this account because I wanted to argue my point for changing a word in this article.

Under the section of Ancient Greece (1.1.3), monarchy is used to describe the Philosopher's Republic. I think that monarchy is a sort of loaded word for what Plato is advocating for.

The typical reader would probably collate "monarchy" with oligarchy, wealth, power, etc. Which is fair, since the linked article for monarchy itself even says such:

"The succession of monarchs in many cases has been hereditical, often building dynastic periods. However, elective and self-proclaimed monarchies have also happened. Aristocrats, though not inherent to monarchies, often serve as the pool of persons to draw the monarch from and fill the constituting institutions (e.g. diet and court), giving many monarchies oligarchic elements."

They might also think of a male-dominated kingdom, which Plato says that the Republic would not be (specifically saying at one point that women would be allowed to be part of all parts of the Republic). While the titles of the Republic are not discussed, I am not sure there would be any outside of the customary philosopher king, which could hardly be considered a king as is typically thought.

The only argument that I can think of for calling it a monarchy would be that the person at the top is called the "philosopher king", but outside of naming conventions I'm not sure we could reliably call it a monarchy.

EDIT: In addition, I feel that the philosopher king ruling for life (which might not be totally correct, I cannot remember currently) may not be a great argument for it being a monarchy either. Individuals can lead countries for life without the nation being a monarchy, like with the title of "dictator" in Rome it would probably be used as a distinct title in the Republic (if being used as a title at all, which may be too much of an incentive similar to land and gold). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fdes11 (talk • contribs) 06:44, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Plato says that in the Republic the philosopher king, as well as the guardian class, would not be able to interact with gold (or money generally) nor own land. Neither would the soldier class. The only landowners would be in the lowest class (everyone else). So it doesn't fully adhere to the connotation of the word "monarchy" (and even less to the denotation I think).

The philosopher kings/leadership wouldnt follow Wikipedia's given definition of a monarchy, so I think that the term should maybe be replaced so that readers are not misled from the claims of Plato's Republic. Its important that people have a better understanding of these I think, maybe create an article describing the philosopher's republic as described by Plato in Republic (as well as Timaeus slightly) if there isn't one already, and if there is perhaps we should link it here instead of monarchy.

edited again because I made some misspellings and formatting errors

Fdes11 (talk) 04:41, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Maybe aristocracy could be another working description of what he advocates for? It's what is used in the actual article of Plato's Republic. I am not sure of that either though. frank (talk) 00:05, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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Introduction to social and political philosophy
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