Talk:Politics of Vatican City

Papal audiences
The North American College in Rome, owned and operated by the U.S. Catholic hierarchy for training American priests, handles requests for papal audiences. The address is Casa Santa Maria dell'Umilta, Via dell'Umilta 30, 00187, Rome, Italy (tel. 690-0189).


 * Is this the case for everyone, or just Americans? We need to de-americocentrify Wiki. (Is that a verb?) Also, that phone number seems to be shy some digits. - montr&eacute;alais


 * Montrealais - The information above is incorrect. The Pontifical North American College, located on the Janiculum, was founded in 1859 is owned by the Holy See and operated by the North American hierarchy from the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Puerto Rico, as well as the United States Military Archdiocese. Aloysius Patacsil 21:39, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)


 * It seems we are still dealing with an old story... No one can sell these "tickets". Phone directly the Prefectura (the number in the page is correct). They do speak a perfect English -- G

Citizenry
It would be nice if the article discussed the "citizenry" of the Vatican City State. Do monsignori and bishops have "citizenship" in the Vatican City State? If so, do their respective countries of origin (especially in the case of the residential diocesan bishops) recognize such dual citizenship? Aloysius Patacsil 09:05, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Cardinals living in Rome, even if not working at the Curia of the worldwide Church, have citizenship, such as the Cardinal Vicar. I think monsignori and bishops working for the Curia are appointed to citizenship but without automatism. Swiss Guards are citizens. A residential diocesan bishop from another state is, I'm quite sure, no Vatican state citizen. As to the dual citizenship: I can only speak for Germany, but it recognizes it by the juridical trick that the citizens do not ask for it formally but are appointed out of office. That is clear for Curia officials. There have been some silent voices that enthroning, as opposed to simple citizenship, puts away the German citizenship with reference to an assumed pre-1914 practice. That's however not the position of the German executive, which has sent an election card to Pope Benedict. (Who has not used it as he felt it unappropriate for a foreign head of state.) --84.154.87.182 (talk) 10:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

origin?
What are the succesion of events originating the vatican or papal states? Was the centralisation of the administration of the churches under the roman empire a genious way to controll the increasing problematic christian rebellious movements in the empire? After Nicea 325, the central roman catholic administration, controls the church from within and above, with a Mithraic organisational and military structure, right?

Renaming of template
The template featured on this page, Politics of the Vatican City, is to a major degree a misstatement of the jobs performed by the organizations to which it refers. Perhaps it would be better to rename the template something like "Roman Curia", which includes both the temporal and ecclesiastical responsibilities of the various organizations?

Lordthees 21:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

New Template
I made a new template: Roman Curia, but kept the old Vatican City one. Most of the Dicasteries of the Roman Curia have nothing to do with Vatican City so this was logical.

CanonLawJunkie (talk) 20:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

absolute elect-monarchy
The vatican city is an absolute -monarchy; no absolute elect-monarchy, because the bishop of rome is ex officio head of state. there are no elections in the vatican city. the election of the pope takes place in the "diocese of rome", not in the state "vatican city".--138.246.7.82 10:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

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Government, Elections and Politics
The article seems to confuse Elections, Government and Politics. "Government" includes the assigned officers, head of state, secretariat, etc. "Elections" is well-understood but here instead of where it should be. "Politics" is what happens when those "elected/appointed" to government office actually do something - e.g. try to make peace between Chile and Argentina, to take a small (and attractive) example. There are undoubtedly less attractive ones.

I will try to clarify. Student7 (talk) 20:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think that the government of Vatican City ever tried to make peace between Chile and Argentina. The Holy See did.
 * Apologies if this sounds like I am teaching you this. I'm sure you already know it.  Esoglou (talk) 20:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Partly because of the confusion between the two, I won't try to introduce new "facts!" Just move old ones. :) Student7 (talk) 20:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

unusual table in the executive section
the table in the executive section lists a date as the party. im not entirely sure if this is a mistake or supposed to happen, however based on the lack of dates in the area where there should be dates i am inclined to believe it is a mistake. Gaismagorm (talk) 14:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)