Talk:Post Human: Survival Horror

It's an album.
The band said if it constitutes an album, then it's an album even if they generally consider them to be EPs. Oli said, "they range from 6-10 tracks, so if that's an album then it's an album". . Read the NME interview.

Also,. Plus the other links that I shared beforehand. This is getting tiring -- if the band calls this a giraffe that doesn't mean it's a giraffe. Tell me then, what is the difference between an album and an EP if this is an EP? Because by music standards, this is an LP or an album. '''The source I cited from Wikipedia clearly states that an EP has a maximum of 6 tracks. May as well change that page then too if you're not going to listen to Wikipedia's own standards.'''


 * Referring to it as just an album ignores the fact that some sources call this an EP. Since some sources call this an album and some call an EP, let's just so what we did on the Music to Listen To... article. Under the type field in the infobox just make the release type say "other" and put a note next to it that says "please refrain from changing this to an EP or album. sources are divided and the template does not accept a neutral option like release". Then we can refer to it as a "commercial release" in the lead sentence. In the background section we should maybe acknowledge the fact that is has been referred to as an EP and an album. There is already a quote from the band members where they refer to this as an EP in this article. Calling it an album contradicts this. Bowling is life (talk) 17:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * That makes sense to me. Sorry for the bothering, it's just not an EP. I didn't think it was fair to call it that simply because the band thing it is one. --~// This is a contribution by The Edit King 👑 \\~ 17:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * When I wrote a review of it I referred to it as a mini-album, which is a regular occurence in Japan for example. It feels like the best description: too long to be an EP, not long enough to be a full length album. VampireKilla (talk) 18:28, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * EP's can be either a single or an album. EP is a pseudo type as there's no such thing as an EP chart. What determines whether an EP charts on albums or singles charts is it's length. In the digital era, an EP is effectively a mini album or a maxi-single (the latter has almost disappeared now). ≫  Lil- Unique1  -{  Talk  }- 10:43, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Hmm...
There's 9 tracks, but it's only about half an hour long. We could probably still classify this as an EP.
 * Nah it's classed as an album by Charts companies. So it's a mini-album at best.VampireKilla (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

"Post Human" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Post Human. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 28 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. JJP...MASTER! (0-3-5)'[talk about or to] JJP... master? (0-3-6-5) 17:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Ludens as a single
This applies to both the album page and the page for Ludens (song) itself. I don't want to edit war and it's clear I'm in the minority on this opinion, but I'd like to clarify my views and invite discussion here.

Ludens was released in November 2019, months before Post Human was announced and nearly a full year before its release. Under the documentation for Template:Infobox song, "If the song was originally released as a single well in advance of the album, |album= should not be used, since it is not from the album, but later added to one." This is absolutely the case for Ludens, as it was released and gained popularity from the Death Stranding: Timefall album and was later included here, much like a standalone single could be included on a compilation but still not be a single from that compilation.

Additionally, the documentation for Template:Infobox album is also quite clearly against its inclusion in my opinion, reading: "For songs that appear on more than one album, list the song as a single only for the album(s) where the single was released as part of the marketing and promotion of that album. Examples:
 * If a song is originally released as a single during the marketing and promotion of an album on which it also appears, and is subsequently included on a compilation album, list the song as a single only for the original album and not for the compilation album.
 * If a song is originally released as an album track only, but is subsequently released as a single to promote the release of a compilation album, include the song as a single only for the compilation album."

Ludens hits point one quite clearly to me, with the only difference being that the compilation is the original album. My original basis for this move was the discussion of Katy Perry's "Never Really Over" as a single from her album Smile, which is found here. I agree with the consensus there, that the single was released well in advance on its own and the album had its own lead single months later. I could not find any sources that reference "Ludens" as a single from Post Human, merely that it was a single that will be on Post Human, which is a relevant distinction. This is why I added the prose to clarify Ludens' inclusion and previous placement on the Timefall record.

I'd like to hear opinions from all viewpoints, as I believe I've presented my reasoning clearly, and I'll be linking this discussion from Talk:Ludens (song) as well. Edit summaries obviously aren't the best way to have a discussion, so I invite the editors who undid my changes to join as well so I can hear them out as well:


 * I undid your changes because you seemed to misunderstand the doc for Template:Infobox song that you cited to justify your changes. That refers to the |album= parameter on the page for the song, not the listing of singles of the album. Secondly, the doc for Template:Infobox album is not specific enough: what defines "a single being used for the marketing and promotion of an album"? I have chosen to begin an RfC on the talk page of Template:Infobox album in order to develop consensus as to if Ludens should be listed as a single. JJP...MASTER!...MASTER!!! master of puppets, i'm pulling your strings (0-3-5)[talk about or to] JJP... master? master? where's the dreams that i've been after (0-3-6-5) 15:05, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm no expert or a super experienced wikipedia editor. But if you're applying this rule for Ludens, then shouldn't the same for Drown be applied as that was initally promoted as a standalone single that ended up being included on That's the Spirit? --GeorgeKnight201101 (talk) 22:44, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Babymetal on Track 5
They're not officially credited as it's just an interlude track, but it's clearly Su and Moa yelling on Cure for the Itch. Shouldn't the page acknowledge that? VampireKilla (talk) 09:51, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That's textbook WP:Original research as their appearance is uncredited, so without a source mentioning their vocals on the track (however obvious it may be), it should not be included. Sock   ( tock talk)  23:02, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Commericial Performance
Does anyone think that we should add this as a section on the article? I feel we should but I don't want to start one if no one else thinks its necessary. What are everyone else's thoughts on this?--Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 21:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

NME interview confirms that this release is an album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLAoyZ4geIA&t=377s Oli Sykes, lead singer of BMTH said himself that "in every sense of the word it is [an album]". He goes on to state that they play more songs from Survival Horror than any of their other (confirmed) albums. NME is sourced frequently on this very article. This seems like the most definitive confirmation that this is an album that we will ever get; however I've chosen to leave this prudent information here rather than make the edits because I have no desire to have my changes reverted by someone who chose not to read this topic. ~ GoldWatchTwoThousand (talk) 08:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)