Talk:President George Bush Turnpike

Texas or U.S. highway?
Is this a Texas state highway or a U.S. highway? --BaronLarf 14:44, August 4, 2005 (UTC)


 * Texas. And I've moved the article to reflect this and for consistency with other Texas State Highway articles.  There is some confusion though with SH 161, which redirects here, but probably shouldn't, since (at least, currently), it does its own thing between 635 and 183. R ADICAL B ENDER  ★  18:55, September 5, 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, scratch all that. I think I've figured it out now.  Turnpike name is: President George Bush Turnpike.  SH 190 is the frontage roads from 635 to 78.  SH 161 is the frontage roads from 635 to 183.  And Google Maps needs to update because they haven't updated the Turnpike to 183.  Brain thinking one thing, maps saying another, article says a third.  I think I've straightened it out though.  R ADICAL B ENDER  ★  21:52, September 5, 2005 (UTC)


 * The main lanes are neither state nor federal. The toll main lanes are corporate-owned.  The main lanes are owned by North Texas Turnpike Authority because NTTA paid for them.  The frontage-road lanes that are signed SH190 are owned by TxDOT because TxDOT paid for them.  —optikos 01:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Isn't 161 actually on the freeway southwest of Belt Line Road? Or has that changed? --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems ) 08:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Given that the designation file ends 161 at Belt Line Road, who maintains the frontage roads between Belt Line and 635? These frontage roads used to be part of the mainline of 161. --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems ) 12:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There aren't any frontage roads between 635 and Beltline. The frontage roads leave the freeway at the 635 interchange and become Valley View Lane.  --Holderca1 15:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You're thinking of the I-635–I-35E segment. That's the one that lacks frontage roads. The SH 161–I-635 segment does indeed have frontage roads, but they aren't part of any state highway according to TxDOT's designation files. I guess they're just a local affair or managed by the NTTA, whichever of those is the situation for the DNT frontage roads. —Typhlosion (talk) 21:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I had considered adding, but I'm too tired: there's a significant amount of new information on the grand prairie portion of the project here: I might work on it tomorrow. drumguy8800  C   T  08:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The State of Texas does not assign mileposts to highways outside of the Interstate System. Thus, I have deleted the tag placed on the Exit List, and request that it not be reposted. Quidam65 (talk) 18:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

New extension of 190
The NTTA received environmental clearance in 2005 [on the extension through Rowlett] and is estimating construction to begin in 2007. Are there any updates on this? The 190 article is not looking much different than it did 2 years ago. -Rolypolyman 03:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The article has been updated to say that the Rowlett extension would begin in 2008, but as of August 2008 there's still no signs of any construction. Does anyone know what's going on with this extension? -Rolypolyman (talk) 01:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Er, anything going on with this extension? Anyone live in Rowlett? -Rolypolyman (talk) 01:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hellooooooooooooo -Rolypolyman (talk) 02:57, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Anything new? Updates?  Anyone? -Rolypolyman (talk) 19:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * According to the current article, "[c]onstruction began in October 2008, and the Eastern Extension opened to traffic on December 21, 2011." Pianostar9 (talk) 15:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Separating PGBT and SH 161 articles
Since 161 Toll is being built from SH 183 south towards I-20 and the legal definition of SH 161 seems to have made it mutually exclusive of the PGBT, I think it's time to make a separate Texas State Highway 161 article. —Typhlosion (talk) 21:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, any SH 161 info not associated with PGBT should be pulled out and placed in a new article. --Holderca1talk 21:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A separate article for 161 should be created sometime soon since that it is currently opened south of 183 to Interstate 30 and carries its own designation. The frontage roads have been open all the way to the planned southern terminuses at Interstate 20 in Grand Prairie. For those asking, construction has begun on the eastern extension of 190. The overpasses east of Highway 78 been built at least to Firewheel Parkway, though their are no mainlanes of the highway as of May. You still have to get off at Crist Road and turn at Firewheel Parkway. The bridge over Lake Ray Hubbard is currently being built as well as the interchange with Interstate 30 in Garland (the planned eastern terminues). The 161 construction is planned to end sometime in late 2011/ early 2012. The 190 construction is planned to end sometime in 2015. A segment of 190 from Highway 78 to Pleasant Valley Road in Sachse is scheduled to open in November 2011. --Mes tex 23:02, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Since they are considered the same road, this still hasn't been done. Pianostar9 (talk) 15:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Maintenance
This article has a contradiction that needs to be resolved. The infobox says the highway is maintained by the Texas Department of Transportation. The lead says the highway is maintained by the North Texas Toll Authority. Neither mention is sourced. Could someone familiar with this area please resolve this contradiction. Thanks. Dave (talk) 17:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This might work.   The TXDOT designation file for TX 190 (last couple entries) states that the frontage roads only are designated as TX 190, while the mainlanes were transferred to NTTA.  25or6to4 (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

New Sign
The North Texas Tollway Authority has come out with a new sign for the PGBT that's been out for a while now. There's also a new sign for the Dallas North Tollway. Can anyone upload this to the page? Mes tex (talk) 04:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Exit list directions
The directions on the exit list are inconsistent with the highway's actual direction. The SH 161 section (from I-20 in Grand Prairie to I-35E in Carrollton) is signed north-south. From I-35E to the Liberty Grove connector in Rowlett, it is signed east-west. On the eastern leg (Liberty Grove to I-30) it is north-south again. Mes tex (talk) 05:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Has this been fixed yet? Pianostar9 (talk) 15:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

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