Talk:Presidential Scholars Program

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Which would explain why it's so poorly written :) Cheezmeister 22:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

False Statments
The article states "Graduating senior 3,600,000 (approx.) eligible to apply." However, this is incorrect because nobody is allowed to apply. Presidential Scholars is an invite only program.

"Application is by invitation only" https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/faq.html#:~:text=Is%20this%20a%20Scholarship%20Program,the%20online%20National%20Recognition%20Program. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueomg (talk • contribs) 00:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

The Presidential Scholars Program was established in 1964, by executive order of the President of the United States to recognize and honor some of the most distinguished graduating high school seniors in the United States.

The above statement is not correct. The Presidential Scholars Program does not honor the most distinguished high school seniors in the US. It rather honors the most distinguished US citizen high school seniors.

So this means the following:

The students honored with this award are not the most distinguished in the US. There might be people who are way more distinguished than they are, but are not US citizens.

The United States continues to fail in its quest to promote academic excellence, seeing as to how they only honor US Citizens, and none else.

What if the student has a green card, but not a US Citizenship? I think that's some form of discrimination, by the way.

Scorpion4eva 04:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out, and changing the wording. Personally, I wasn't aware that it was only for US citizens... Do you have a reference or reliable source for this? If not, the change might have to be reverted.
 * Regards, xC | ☎  09:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I would say the above statement is correct. "to recognize and honor some of the most distinguished graduating high school seniors in the United States." The use of the word "some" makes it so. Further, cf. the description of the Department of Education itself: "The United States Presidential Scholars Program was established in 1964, by Executive Order of the President, to recognize and honor some of our Nation's most distinguished graduating high school seniors." I think this is entirely accurate in referring to "our Nation's... high school seniors." The possessive "our" must refer to Americans only. A graduating high school senior of some other nationality would necessarily be possessed by whatever country in which his or her citizenship lies.

Maybe the Department of Education's wording is better? Rather than "students in the United States" the meaning becomes "students 'belonging to' the United States."

Simply using the word "American" (which as "generally understood" refers to a citizen or national of the U.S., not a mere resident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_%28word%29) in a way that is a clear reference to the student rather than the high school could also solve the problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.53.154 (talk) 22:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

2010 scholars
Somebody keeps inserting the 2010 scholars -- all 150 of them -- into the article; possible self-promotion? Please stop. We can't include them all but can certainly link to the Department of Education website for complete lists of all scholars. Alien9542 (talk) 08:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Looking at the IP's edit's, it seems possible that it's a series of self-promotional edits. We'll know more if it continues TEDickey (talk) 10:31, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ted. Would really appreciate your help here, as it’s borderline vandalism. Alien9542 (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm keeping an eye on it - have to follow the process TEDickey (talk) 23:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * There's a process? We can't mark these all as abusive or something? :-\ Alien9542 (talk) 01:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Only for repetitions that are "frequent". I see the editor's off on a new type of abuse though TEDickey (talk) 08:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That person may want to consider a sub-article, just a list. Auchansa (talk) 04:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

There is also a list of notable scholars. However, some of these people are not as successful as some who are not listed. We have to be mindful of what is notable. How about a successful neurosurgeon who has published quite a few papers. Probably would meet opposition if mentioned. But some listed just have some minor title. Perhaps, the solution is not to say "notable" but Scholars with Wikipedia articles? This suggestion could be controversial but then we have a definite criteria for who can have a Wikipedia article (for example, a porn star but not a successful lawyer who is an assistant professor part time) Auchansa (talk) 04:20, 17 July 2012 (UTC)