Talk:Prince's Flag

Princes Flag
This article reads like it was written by a robotic translator. Someone with a knowledge of history and the English language should revise it.

It also has the wrong title. It should be Prince's Flag not Princes Flag. I don't know how to change titles, so someone else will have to make this easy edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.68.120.185 (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ on the rewrite. on the rename (see below). --W\&#124;/haledad (Talk to me)  19:40, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Page moved. -- Hadal (talk) 01:02, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Princes Flag → Prince's Flag – This is the correct name of the flag. A move is currently blocked by the fact that there is a redirect entry under "Prince's Flag". Please move article to "Prince's Flag", and make "Princes Flag" into a redirect. Whaledad (talk) 02:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME. A search of google books shows 748 hits for "Prince's Flag", compared with 43 for "Princes Flag". Jenks24 (talk) 16:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Is that title prescriptive enough? I'm sure many princes have flags. Although we don't have an article on princely flags, so I guess for the moment it'd be fine. Rennell435 (talk) 07:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support clearly the common name. Marcus   Qwertyus   02:21, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

PVV
A minor incident, without any relevance for this page. 101 Luftballons (talk) 23:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The "incident" regarding the display of this flag by someone from the PVV hardly makes it relevant for the encyclopaedic article on the flag itself. Sadly, this has been turned into political back and forth-ing between supporters and opponents of the PVV. Outside of this there was hardly any mention of this. Other than that, there is not even solid evidence that there is a direct connection between right wing groups and the flag, making the use of the flag controversial. The simple fact that either the NSB in the past or some right wing extremist groups use the flag does not in and of itself make this flag controversial. Al, in all, there is no solid encyclopaedic basis for including this incident in this article. It may have relevance in the article on the politician hanging up the flag but that is about it as far as I can tell. People need to remember that this is an encyclopaedia, not a sensationalist news outlet or political action group.--Kalsermar (talk) 23:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Please note that on NL Wikipedia the 3rd page block in a row of the page has been ended early at the explicit request of one of the blockers of the addition as he had to admit that adding this information (in a clean way like I have done here) was supported by a majority. So, please stop your edit war here too. --W\&#124;/haledad (Talk to me) 12:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

New York
Added relevant material from my home state.

BXM 11:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Origin of the 1572 date?
I could not substantiate the 1572 date for the flag, the earliest written reference dates to 1587. The "1572" claim is also tagged as unreferenced in the Dutch article. However, it appears that there was a postage stamp in 1972 commemorating the 400th anniversary of the flag, so it appears that there is at least a popular tradition connecting the first use of the flag with that date. Needless to say, stating as much in the article will need to be accompanied with an appropriate reference. "There seems to have been a postage stamp in 1972" is not good enough. Apparently, 1587 was the date mentioned in the page until 2014, when "1572" was added without comment and without reference. --dab (𒁳) 14:38, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Visibility at sea
I have always understood that the Dutch flag was changed from orange/white/light blue to red/white/blue for greater visibility at sea. It might be only one of several reasons but it isn't mentioned in the article. I don't have a source at hand so perhaps a vexillologist in the audience could comment. Humpster (talk) 04:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Well, it's not just me. Here are five quotes from an Internet search. Unfortunately, none of them qualify as reliable sources.
 * https://www.mappr.co/flag-maps/netherlands/
 * Over time, the orange stripe was replaced by red. This change is attributed to several factors, including the red dye’s superior visibility at sea and its lesser propensity to fade than orange.
 * The exact reasons for the shift from orange to red are still debated among historians.
 * https://symbolsarchive.com/dutch-symbols/
 * Orange used to be part of the Dutch flag, but because it was difficult to make and less visible at sea, the color was changed to red between 1630 and 1660.
 * https://www.nowt2do.co.uk/netherlands-flag/
 * By the mid-17th century, the orange stripe gradually changed to red, giving rise to the iconic red, white, and blue tricolor known today. Historians suggest that this change may have resulted from the red dye’s superior visibility at sea. Maritime Use was a key factor in the flag’s design adjustments, reflecting the Netherlands’ powerful naval history.
 * https://theflags.org/country-flags-of-the-world/netherlands/
 * Initially, the flag had an orange stripe instead of the red one. The orange color represented the Prince of Orange, a leader in the Dutch independence movement. Over time, the orange stripe was replaced by a red one. This change was likely due to the red dye’s superior visibility at sea and its common use in maritime flags at the time.
 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indonesian_flags
 * Dutch East India Company flag, adopted with red stripe around 1630 or 1663 and beyond, for the purpose of better visibility at sea against a light sky Humpster (talk) 07:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)