Talk:Progoni family

The first Albanian state?
What is the reason for this misinterpretation of the source with claim about existence of the Albanian nation state in medieval Europe?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * @Gaius Claudius Nero: This was not the first time that you change referenced text without explanation or providing additional citation. You did it before. Taking in consideration context of such changes, someone could see it as tendentious editing. Also, Don't hijack references says: Don't change referenced text and leave the original reference.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 00:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

(N)POV
“The House of Progon was an Albanian noble house and family who led the first Albanian state”

There are scholars who published works with information about attempts of Albanian nationalist to produce an image of Albanian nation as a seamless continuity from medieval ages by positing the first instance of nation-state-building in Europe: Even Robert Elsie, who is Albanophile, stated: I think it is clear that we have to follow WP:NPOV and "Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts." Positing any medieval fiefdom as state of Albanians, or doing it without representing "all significant views" is against NPOV. Additionally the source for the claim about first albanian state is tertiary source which is given undue weight comparing to other contemporary secondary sources. I will delete information about "the first Albanian state" within a week period if nobody present arguments grounded in relevant wikipedia policies and contemporary (published in last 20 years) secondary sources written by scholars.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)