Talk:Province of Carolina

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Wasn't Carolina divided in 1710? –radiojon 19:44, 2004 Apr 5 (UTC)
 * Uh, the Internet seems confused by this. I suppose we'll actually have to crack a book. :) jengod 20:00, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)

I think you're close. Looking at NC and SC histories, I see various dates. It seems like they grew somewhat separately and operated practically independently for some time. I've seen 1710 and 1712 as the date that the colony was divided. I can't tell how formal the division was. South Carolina did not become a crown colony until 1729, which explains where that date comes from. I have to run -- so no time to revise right now. Feel free to jump in. Bkonrad | Talk 20:04, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

INTERNAL LINK SUGGESTION: You may wish to add internal links to Monck, Craven, Carteret, and Locke to the list of approximately 50 Landgraves & Cassiques of colonial low country South Carolina prior to the Revoluntion? Also links on them back to this.

Rogue's Harbor
On this bit of the article:

"...the first permanent English settlement in the area was in 1653, established mainly by emigrants from the Virginia Colony with others from New England and Bermuda. Pre-empting the royal charter by ten years, they settled on the banks of the Chowan and Roanoke Rivers in the Albemarle Sound area in the northeast corner of present-day North Carolina. This settlement came to be known in Virginia as "Rogues' Harbor"."

A source for this would be nice. My understanding is that one of the early Virginia governor's (Spotswood?) called it Rogue's Harbour in a letter. The term may have been used a bit by Virginians, but the words "..came to be known as..." imply general use. I would have thought the general name for the settlements was Albemarle Settlements or just "Albemarle". ..what's the source on "Rogue's Harbour"? Pfly 18:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * As the one who added that particular bit of text, it came from here (which was listed under External links as it dates from a pre-Cite.php era), where it says Indeed so many of these undesirables came that the Virginians called Carolina the Rogues' Harbour. I'll grant that this doesn't give a very good indication of how common the term was or for how long it was used, but I don't think I completely misrepresented the sense of the source. older ≠ wiser 18:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Where was goverment located

Map request
The existing map showing the changing boundaries of the province is excellent. It would be helpful, however, to add some illustration of the early settlements - Roanoke, Albemarle Sound, Charleston, Wilmington, etc., and perhaps the Granville District-- Beland 09:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought about that when making the one I did and think this (and all the colony articles for that matter) would be well served by a second map showing the practical extent of the colony which was a small area along the coast. I probably won't get to it anytime soon though.Kmusser

Heath's claim
When did his heirs return to claim the charter? Why did he decide to give the claim to the Lord's Proprietors?

Never a province
The word "province" was never part of the official name of any of the British colonies that later formed the United States. The word "province should be removed from all articles about British colonies in N. America. I've tagged use of the word "province" in this context as original research. WCCasey (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * You are quite mistaken. It was called "Province of Carolina" from its very inception. See the Charter of Carolina - March 24, 1663 from the Yale Law School site. I quote from the fifth article of incorporation:


 * "And that the country, thus by us granted and described, may be dignified by us with as large titles and priviledges as any other part of our dominions and territories in that region, Know ye, that we of our further grace, certain knowledge, and meer motion, have thought fit to erect the same tract of ground, county, and island, into a province, and out of the fulness of our royal power and prerogative, we do, for us, our heirs and successors, erect, incorporate and ordain the same into a province, and call it the Province of Carolina..." Carlstak (talk) 23:31, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

See the complete debate at Talk: Thirteen Colonies. WCCasey (talk) 01:18, 13 January 2016 (UTC)