Talk:Provincial Reconstruction Team

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This article is focused on Afghanistan only, but the lead paragraph lists that PRTs are also in Iraq. What about Iraq content? If this is going to only be about Aghanistan we should page move this to Provincial reconstruction team (Afghanistan). MPS 03:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd rather see it moved to Reconstruction of Afghanistan and expanded. We have Reconstruction of Iraq and I think we need something similar for Afghanistan.  The contents of this article might be a good start.  Regards, Ben Aveling 21:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. As there is reconstruction work in Afghanistan separate from the PRTs, and as some PRTs, especially in the south, are closely linked to coalition combat operations, Provincial reconstruction team should be Reconstruction of Afghanistan separate articles. As PRTs are major operations involving tens of thousands of personnel, they must have their own article, separate from any reconstruction page. Chwyatt 10:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying that the PRT must not have its own article, just that it doesn't make sense to have an article on the PRT and no article on reconstruction in general, given that there is reconstruction happening outside the scope of the PRT. We don't really want to duplicate material if we can avoid it.  If the Reconstruction article grew too big we could extract the PRT stuff to a seperate article, but for the moment, it would make more sense to have it as part of the overall reconstruction efforts.  Besides, covering it at Reconstruction of Afghanistan would mean that more people would get to read it.  Regards, Ben Aveling 21:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. I thought you meant merge the Provincial reconstruction team article into a Reconstruction of Afghanistan article. I see what you mean now. I do think that a Reconstruction of Afghanistan article is worthwhile, so long as the details of PRTs remain in the PRT article. Chwyatt 09:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've created something. It's crap.  But it's a start.  Regards, Ben Aveling 11:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi everybody! I once started to make the list here with the provincial reconstruction teams and the basic information about them. Because there are so many countries involved and there are so many reconstruction teams, and information for example of the MoDs of the countries involved in so many languages, I was hoping other editors would maybe start articles about the different PRTs themselves. So to see this as an overall introduction and contents of the PRTs, and work them out in other articles.

At the lead there can be maybe written that there are also PRTs in Iraq, with a link to it? Next to this I wrote at pages about the districts in Afghanistan, for example below a head of security situation, or contemporary history, there is a PRT.

Because the name PRT is a well known name, also used by the MoDs and Nato, in my opinion we can keep the name Provincial Reconstruction Team. Much Regards Rob van Doorn 15:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Note: there can be an article of the NATO-ISAF PRTs, and of the reconstruction work NGOs are doing, and the Afghans themselves?


 * "At the next chapters we will try to give an account of the development of the PRT's and their activities." Interesting... Who is "we" and where are the "chapters"? Henning Blatt 11:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Provincial Reconstruction Team is perfect name for the article, all you need to do is add sub-sections to seperate the PRTs of Afghanistan and PRTs of Iraq. PRTs began in Afghanistan in late 2001 or early 2002. Then in 2003 and onwards, they were in Iraq. So no need to make different articles, in the future we may see the same PRTs operate in many other countries.--PH4crew 23:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Kingturtle 15:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. PRTs in Iraq and Afghanistan are similar in name alone. In Iraq, you have embedded, paired and satellite PRTs, the personnel being a mix of military and civilian agencies. In Afghanistan, PRTs are made up of mostly military personnel, with their structure being somewhat dependent on which country they are from (whether under NATO/ISAF or USG). I believe this article can talk generally about PRTs, but that a separate PRT-Afghanistan and PRT-Iraq articles are necessary to address the substantial structural/mission differences of both. (Azubi (talk) 19:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC))

Not sure how to address it, but the image provided for PRT Gardez is not correct. I visited the PRT in 2007. 195.169.118.227 (talk) 09:11, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Article rewrite
I've rewritten the article, almost from scratch. Major changes: Needed: Chris (complaints) • (contribs) 01:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Condensed the Afghan PRT section. Previously, every PRT was a subsection, with little more than the name of the Province and country in charge.  Now everything is in a bulleted list
 * Iraq PRTs were only mentioned in passing. They now have their own sections.  I've also written about the structural differences between Afghan and Iraq PRTs.
 * Irrelevant pictures removed
 * New sources added, dead links removed
 * Up to date maps and numbers
 * pictures

Separate missions?
About this, "While the concepts are similar, PRTs in Afghanistan and Iraq have separate compositions and missions" at this article's 1st. para. Do they have separate missions? I suppose 2 PRTs have simple goal to stabilize province. Is this "method" or "manner", not "mission"?--Tosaka1 (talk) 08:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They indeed have separate missions. Kingturtle (talk) 13:26, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Cooperation with Afghans and other issues
As it stands now, the article has a lot of information on the structure of the PRTs. It seems to be written by members of the PRTs, and an outsider perspective is missing. For example, there is no mention of Afghans working in any way with the PRTs, despite the stated objective of the PRTs to help local governments "to govern better". It would be useful to elaborate on what local government means in today's Afghanistan, perhaps in a separate article. Is the local government elected? Is there a local administration? What about community-based organizations? Development can only succeed if it is led by the locals. If PRT members write an article about their work without describing their local counterparts, something seems to be fundamentally wrong with this approach to development. This leads to the point that there is no section on criticism of PRTs and, more generally, of development efforts integrated with military forces, although many other articles on Wikipedia are enriched by sections summarizing main points of criticism. Finally, there is a contradiction in the current version of the article, which both says that a PRT is under military command and claims that military and civilian PRT members make decisions jointly and as equals. I hope that these comments will be useful in further improving the article.--Mschiffler (talk) 22:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Provincial Reconstruction Team Meymaneh
Is'nt there a PRT team in the North of the country aswell ? Should'nt this be added to the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRT_Meymaneh#NAD  ? Atleast with a link ? Mortyman (talk) 04:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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