Talk:Queens/Archive 1

largest sikh population?
does this person have any evidence to back up this claim "Richmond Hill, in the south, has the largest population of Indian Sikhs outside of India; ". it would make a lot more sense for a part of england to have the largest sikh population outside of india. i would believe areas of fiji, or dubai, or toronto to have that before richmond hill.

--Well I do know that Richmod Hill has the largest Sikh temple outside of India. As for the numbers of people, it would be inaccurate to compare a single neighborhood of NYC to the whole city of Toronto or the whole island of Fiji. --Jleon 14:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

You don't read very well do you? I wrote areas of Fiji, Dubai, and Toronto. Also, I am not debating whether or not Richmond Hill does or not, I am asking for evidence of that claim, which clearly you have not presented. So why did you even bother responding? I don't know what your standards are, but simply "knowing that Richmond Hill has the largest population outside of India" just doesn't cut it in the encyclopedia world, that's why people cite their sources. You do know what citations are?

-- Richmond Hill also has a large Carribean-Indian population, particularly from Guyana. These people form a community that is distinct from that of the Indians coming directly from India. This population may actually be more notable in Richmond Hill than the Sikhs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.131.51.27 (talk • contribs)

definitely more sikhs in neighbourhoods of london, or birmingham. there are probably more sikhs in some of these neighbourhoods than the entire queens. even manchester has a curry mile which i doubt richmond hill does.

lol the numbers are definitely way off. the uk has 20% of usa's population but 5 times as many sikhs. canada has 1/10 of usa's population but double the amount of sikhs. someone definitely needs to change the sikh sentence in the article. just off the top of my head, id say the area of 49th and main in vancouver probably has 2 times as many sikhs as richmond hill. http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_sikh.html

i am positive that toronto has the largest population of sikhs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.221.67.75 (talk) 02:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

most ethnically diverse county
the page on NYC says that Brooklyn takes this honor. one of these two pages is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.129.79.253 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Brooklyn and Queens have alot of diverse groups. I lived in Brooklyn and now I live in Queens and from experience, I would say that Queens is more diverse. gyk,, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.56.41 (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

John Jay Coll. is not in Queens
As far as I know, John Jay College of Criminal Justice is in Manhattan, and not in Queens. The John Jay article says as much. This should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.131.51.27 (talk • contribs)

Crime
Is the crime rate in Queens really that high? I've read somewhere that Queens has one of the lowest crimes rates in NYC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.212.184 (talk • contribs)

It depends where you live. There are safe places in Queens like Fresh Meadows, Rego Park, etc. There are also dangerous places like Jamaica. But I would say that Brooklyn has a higher crime rate than QUeens does.

The crime stats for Queens are no different than the other 4 boroughs. The anonymous user added this link:

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/36081.html

But in looking at the other 4 boroughs, the crimes per population ratio is exactly the same:

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/36047.html

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/36005.html

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/36061.html

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/36085.html

I suspect this is "Bkbkbkbk" trying to "roughen-up" Queens again. Dialt0ne 06:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

This is why Queens sucks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supersajjin (talk • contribs) 07:33, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Removed section
I removed the section titled "Crime" as it was completely uncited and appeared to be original research. WP:V/WP:OR --Wildnox 23:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The user that added it, Bkbkbkbk has been attempting to add this OR to Queens and College Point, Queens for some time now. Can he be locked out of editing pages he abuses often? -- Dialt0ne 13:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Specific pages, no. But he can be, and currently is, blocked. --Wildnox 00:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Queen's?
Was it ever proper to use an apostrophe in the name Queens? It seems like it was named that was, as a possessive, along with Kings County. -- 68.47.81.141 21:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I quote the article on Catherine of Braganza Although some have claimed that Queens a borough of New York City was named after Catherine of Braganza, her name is not mentioned in the first 200 years of historical documents that have been preserved in the county archives. I'm curious as to the origin of the name as the article on Queens' Guard (College of William and Mary) states: The name uses the possessive plural "Queens'" in recognition of the three Queens of Great Britain considered patrons of the College: Queen Mary II, who ... granted the royal charter for the creation of the College; Queen Anne, who ... granted money for the rebuilding of the College ... and Queen Elizabeth II, who visited the College in 1957 and for whom the Queens' Guard was created.


 * All the sources that I've found agree that it was named after a Queen, and specifically after Catherine of Braganza, and it makes sense because two other counties in the vicinity were King's County, in honour of her husband Charles II, and Richmond county, in honour of his illegitimate son. The other article is making the strange argument, not attributed to anyone, that since the preserved county archives don't mention her, it can't have been named after her, but that makes no sense at all. It was just named after the queen at the time, that didn't mean that they needed to mention her name for any practical purposes any more than the archives of Richmond County had to discuss the Duke of Richmond all the time just because it was named after him.--91.148.159.4 (talk) 19:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Uuuh.
I'm not registered in the English Wikipedia, so I'd be glad if someone took care of it - "they like to lick dogs"? It's at the end of the second paragraph. Quite hilarious, I admit, but still...

Wow.
It disappeared 2 seconds after I posted my comment. Wow.

Court System
While a lesser organization exists at the county level, the court "system" itself is truly organized at the State level in New York, with all employees of the courts technically state employees. Can anyone with a more intimate knowledge of the courts fix this?

That depends on what you mean by lesser. There are 2 court systems. State Supreme Court and County Criminal Court. More defendants are processed by Criminal Court then Supreme Court. Don't see anything wrong with
 * Each of the city's five counties (coterminous with each borough) has its own criminal court system and District Attorney, the chief public prosecutor who is directly elected by popular vote.

Removed population table
The article used to have a table of borough population since 1900. What has happened to it??? Dogru144 17:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Culture
Not much is said about the culture in Queens and under it, it says culture of New york city and not too much is mention their about queens either. Queens has several parades in Flushing Meadwows park such as the Colombian day festivl held in mid July. The Ecuadorian parade held in august in and/or around Flushing Meadows park. Something about Run Dmc seing how Afrika Bambaata is included in The Bronx. If any one could improve this section please do.

Queens is also home to the one and only Christian E. Piña?
What is a Christian E. Piña (brother of Caroline Piña) and why is it significant enough to go in the first paragraph?

Queens County?
Seems like the first paragraph should be modified so as not to introduce Queens as Queens County but rather as Queens, one of the five boroughs of New York City, coterminous with Queens County. This would strengthen the consistency among the five individual articles about the boroughs. Plus, "Queens" is not simply a shortening of the county name, as the current wording suggests; it is the name of the borough. If colloquial shortening were the true root of the borough names, then Brooklyn would be known simply as "Kings" and Staten Island would be called "Richmond." Conisder revising for logic.

Jamaica or Mineola?
Currently, this article has Mineola listed as the county seat prior to the secession of the western towns into New York City in 1898.

However, I have found at least two sources which identify Jamaica as the county seat. The first is a website called Nassau County History, and the second is the Encyclopedia of New York City, which is being updated for its second edition to be released next year. And, the Wikipedia entry on Mineola itself says the county seat was moved there in July 1900. It would seem to me that the reference listed in this article, from the Queens Borough President's office, may be wrong.

I'm inclined to stick with my belief that Jamaica was the county seat of pre-consolidation Queens. However, I'm opening this for debate. Rollosmokes 08:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * ADDENDUM: Some of these sources are confused: according to the Queens entry in the Encyclopedia of New York City, the county seat was Jamaica until 1788, when it was moved to Mineola. The Jamaica entry in the same book mentions Jamaica as county seat, but doesn't mention anything else.  I'll edit the article to reflect that, but I'm still for debate.  Rollosmokes 08:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * And then we have Long Island City Courthouse Complex which calls Garden City Park the "original" courthouse site but names LIC as the seat for the late 19th century. Frankly I'm surprised that Rustdorp was important enough in the 17th century to be the first county seat and would expect Newtown, as a port town, to take that job.  And now where's the county seat?  Kew Gardens (Queens)?  Anyway the two questions that seem fairly clear are: (1) Mineola is too new to be a candidate, and (2) the question has not been settled with encyclopedic clarity.  Jim.henderson 14:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Citation
i would be very interested to see the evidence from the nyc department of city housing which you say indicates the "top 10 wealthiest neighborhoods in queens".- you list woodhaven and richmond hill and jackson heights in this category? are you serious? homes in bellerose and floral park sell for an average of 650000, and you are telling me some of the towns on that list have greater property value please. i went to the website and found no such list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.237.172 (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Did "Nassau" vote on consolidation?
Flushing & West Chester voted AGAINST consolidation. IIRC, ToB, most of ToH, & ToNH were never invited to vote. Organizers knew "Nassau" was more Republican & likely to oppose it - it was also much further out than mostly anyone envisioned the city would ever go - so they were never asked to vote on it. Barely passed in City of Brooklyn, & 2 of 3 city mayors fought it. Mt Vernon voted against & did not consolidate. --JimWae (talk) 10:45, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-07%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=consolidation+referendum+queens *http://www.thirteen.org/queens/history2.html
 * http://mapsites.net/gotham01/ConsolidationDBQ.htm
 * http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E0CE2D81730E033A25756C1A9649D94659ED7CF
 * http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/state/his/bk2/ch4/pt8.html

Do you really think Hempstead voted against consolidation & they split off the part of Rockaway that voted for consolidation -- and took just part of the town -- yet the entire Town of Flushing & entire Town of Eastchester voted against - and they took them entirely anyway??? ... Most of Brooklyn voted against, but they did not do any fancy partion in Brooklyn. The only reasonable conclusion, though my edit will not say that until there is a firm source, is that "Nassau" was never asked to vote. There is a firm source that Mt Vernon was not asked to vote, but organized its own vote (that is in the refs) & voted NAY. --JimWae (talk) 06:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

If we need to shorten the history section, here are some candidates

 * Quartering Act
 * this was not just specific to Queens, leave as link. Might be worth saying something about prevalence of Loyalists in SOME towns
 * section contradicts the Quartering Act article, which says
 * While many sources claim that the 1774 act allowed troops to be billeted in occupied private homes, this is a myth. The act only permitted troops to be quartered in unoccupied buildings —Preceding unsigned comment added by JimWae (talk • contribs) 09:52, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * In 1870, Long Island City was incorporated as a city, consisting of what had been the Village of Astoria and some unincorporated areas in the Town of Newtown
 * unsourced & probably too much detail re constituent parts


 * The areas of Queens County that voted against consolidation, consisting of the towns of North Hempstead and Oyster Bay, and the remaining portions of the Town of Hempstead, were constituted as the new Nassau County in 1899.
 * it seems all the areas that were asked to vote & voted against were merged anyway


 * With consolidation, the city and former towns and villages within Queens County were dissolved; the county and borough of Queens were now coterminous.
 * just wrong in so many ways, no matter how many times it gets re-inserted


 * The borough's administrative and court buildings are presently located in Kew Gardens and downtown Jamaica respectively, two neighborhoods that were villages of the former Town of Jamaica.
 * out of synchronicity & details should be in gov't section


 * The borough experienced a great leap in growth in the 1920s, from 469,042 in 1920 to 1,079,129 in 1930
 * significance & context not given & no pointer to rest of census data


 * coincidental with the expansion of the use of the automobile and the construction of the elevated IRT subway lines to Astoria and Flushing.
 * things that are expressed as producers of results are more persuasive for inclusion than things that are "coincidental" -
 * since the article is on Queens, there's no big deal about IRT to Astoria & Flushing UNLESS they are FROM somewhere other than Queens - could they have used a tunnel maybe? ...or a bridge? I produced 2 academic articles that said the Queensboro Bridge was one of the major events in the history of Queens - but somebody deleted it, saying it should be in the Transportation section - but he did not put it there, & that section does not cover the historical significance of transportation

I post this since I do not think ONE person should make all the decisions about what gets deleted, and invite comments. --JimWae (talk) 09:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if any section needs to be shortened, I'd also look at Neighborhoods & Demographics - both already have their own articles, so only summaries & links need to be in the main article. Furthermore, the Neighborhoods section is particularly prone to ethnic generalizations --JimWae (talk) 09:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

From 1898 to 1899
Every source says that parts of Queens County did not join the new Borough of Queens in 1898, but split off in 1899 to form Nassau County. Hence the borough & the county could not have been coterminous "with consolidation" in 1898 - not until 1899. There is an editor who repeatedly reverts to saying they were coterminous "with consolidation". The same editor repeatedly reverts to say that those portions of Queens County that voted against consolidation did not join. Well, all the sources say Flushing voted against - and it still was joined. No sources say any part of present Nassau County ever voted, yet the same editor keeps re-inserting they did. No sources say that somehow the Rockaways voted yes & the rest of Hempstead voted no. There is no reference to support towns being split up based on votes. Though I would not have the article say so without good reference, tHe most likely case is that present Nassau was never part of the vote, they were simply not asked to vote & were "left behind". Please weigh in on this issue, as the user has not expressed any regard for the position I have presented, so far just blasting it away with reverts in excess of WP:3RR --JimWae (talk) 10:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I have found numerous incontrovertible sources for the statement that I said I would not add until I found reliable sources. I will be adding them soon. --JimWae (talk) 05:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Coterminous does not mean "dissolved". Coterminous means "having the same boundaries". All during 1898, Queens County included 3 towns that would later become Nassau County - and so the County was thus much larger than the Borough of Queens. Those 3 towns were never dissolved. so it is flase that "with consolidation" the county & borough were coterminous. They were not coterminous until Nassau County was created.--JimWae (talk) 05:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Unresolved issues from User-talk pages
Somewhere in the History section, it needs to be clear that Queens was NOT consolidating with itself, nor with LIC - it was consolidating with NYC - hence I propose a paragraph to begin "The New York City Borough of Queens was founded on January 1, 1898..." also making it clear that it was never any other kind of borough

Regarding Mineola being the county seat of Queens from 1788 to 1874, it is more remarkable that Mineola is now part of a different county than that it was "then a hamlet of North Hempstead" (and this is separate from another issue that could confuse the reader: that most encyclopedia say Mineola is in 2 towns - also in the Town of Hempstead. This likely has more to do with post-office boundaries, however). --JimWae (talk) 10:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

While we are at it, is anyone aware of a wikipedia policy that says reference notes must come at the end of a sentence, and may not be with the point being referenced? --JimWae (talk) 10:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Categories missing
Why does this article have no categories? Badagnani (talk) 02:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Boroughs as separate cities
I have doubts about including this at all, but people keep adding it - If the boroughs were each a separate city, then NYC would not be a city anymore & it would not be in the rankings> Brooklyn would be 3rd, Queens 4th> If only that borough left, then each would be one lower --JimWae (talk) 03:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

You are correct. I am going to fix this in the article. NoIdeaNick (talk) 20:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Population figures
Does the population estimates/figures/numbers take into account ILLEGAL immigrants. Cause there are ALOT in QUeens county.More than likely so than any where else in Nyc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FlushinQwnzNyc (talk • contribs) 15:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Urbanness
The borough is often considered one of the more suburban boroughs of New York City. Queens urbanness is about 99% correlated to is proximity to lower manhattan (just as brooklyn). I mean really the closer to lower manhattan it is the more urban it is... The only exception would be Flushing and Jamaica.

Population
10 th most populous county how about ranking/spot in population density. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.86.91 (talk) 14:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's the nation's 4th densest-populated county (after the Counties of New York [Manhattan], Kings [Brooklyn], and Bronx and before the City & County of San Francisco), as now noted (before I saw this) in the lead paragraphs. —— Shakescene (talk) 12:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

floods in queens
where are the flooded aeras in Queens?and what part of Queens is safe from floods in a basement of a house?last year Queens had a high flooded aeras-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.76.116 (talk) 16:46, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

~ Low level areas near 164th street and peck avenue
 * Willets point junk yard is EXTERMELY prone to being flooded since it has no sewer system.
 * Areas of spring field gardens and south jamaica (near rochdale village- Bedell street 144th avenue) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.88.105 (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Illegal immigrants
There is absolutely no way the population figues in the article represent Queens. Queens is population is more than 50% foreign born and there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. 99% of riders on the 7 train from Flushing, Queens to Woodside, Queens are illegal immigrants. Thats an exageration but there is a copious amount of illegal immigrants in Queens and there surely not accounted in the demographics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.88.105 (talk) 20:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Non Hispanic White
The same link with the detailed information about Queens's demographics says theres %15 non hispanic whites...

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.75.4 (talk) 5 February 2009 --(Signature manually added from talk page history by User:Shakescene 6 February 2009)

Article title: Queens vs. Queens (New York City borough)
The title of this article has been changed from "Queens" to "Queens (New York City borough)", citing concerns about US-centrism. The article Queens now redirects to Queens (disambiguation). This has left thousands of articles pointing to Queens as now pointing to a redirect.

A review of the articles listed at Queens (disambiguation) shows that Queens County has a strong claim to be "the" Queens article. The vast majority of articles listed are for entries that are properly listed with an apostrophe as "Queen's". The few entries with the spelling without the possessive are for Queens County, for Indian Queens (a UK village), for a Polish musical group and for two minor films. No entry has the same level of global identity as Queens County. The existence of other articles that begin "Queen's" seems to be a poor reason to send every reader who types "Queens" to a disambiguation page. While I will support returning to the status quo ante, may I suggest consideration of the current title of "Queens (New York City borough)" or alternative such as "Queens County". Alansohn (talk) 04:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Queens
 * Support As argued above, the New York City county has a strong claim to the title "Queens" above other claimants that are spelled the same way and above all that are spelled "Queen's". The move has left thousands of articles that are now directed to a disambiguation page and would need to be corrected. Alansohn (talk) 04:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Just because Queens is in the US, it does not follow that the only reason it gets priority is US-centrism. It gets priority because it is the most common usage. 2nd is probably Queen's University in Ontario. --JimWae (talk) 06:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ...and Queen's University in Ontario uses the possessive apostrophe. Alansohn (talk) 06:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Clearly the primary topic. --Russ (talk) 15:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support as the most common usage, with the comment that this is a good example of what happens when someone makes a far-ranging change without any prior discussion. --CliffC (talk) 17:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Along with earlier arguments, the names of the boroughs Manhattan and Brooklyn have far more alternative uses than does Queens, yet it would seem silly to suggest moving either of them. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support for all the reasons mentioned above. --Jleon (talk) 23:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Queens (New York City borough)
 * Queens County
 * Queens County

Based on the consensus demonstrated by the results above, I will be moving the article back to Queens. Alansohn (talk) 20:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Clowesville Courthouse
The location of the previous Clowesville Courthouse is outside the boundaries of Mineola, though that area might be served by Mineola post office. The location is also in North Hempstead (not Hempstead) - something that was done in retribution for Loyalist support in Hempstead. An international reader cares little what Town Clowesville might have been in (which even contributors repeatedly get wrong). The fact that Clowesville is outside present Queens County boundaries bears stating more than what Town Clowesville was (or was not) in (which is so non-notable that even contributors don't seem to notice when they get it wrong) --JimWae (talk) 06:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

History
What a cheap little section with no information ANYTHING after the 1950's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.75.89 (talk) 16:24, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Native born
"As of the 2005[update] American Community Survey, immigrants comprise 47.6% of Queens residents making Queens the city's most diverse borough."

Foriegn born meaning not born in the United States or foriegn born not being born in Queens. Im wondering how many people who live in Queens were actually born in Queens. Seem like it would be somewhere around 25%? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.86.120 (talk) 20:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

History of the name
Addressing why the area was named Queens would be helpful. Toddst1 (talk) 12:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hospitals
I think it'd be appropriate to address the hospitals of Queens. 98.113.11.122 (talk) 15:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I started, but never finished, doing the same for The Bronx. There are some excellent collections of statistics at the New York State Health Department and New York City Health and Hospital Department sites.
 * One general problem is that while there is a very good Wikipedia article about Health care in the United States, the subarticles for different regions, states and cities are basically nothing more than lists of hospitals, which is different from describing their health, medicine, health care or public health. This is true even for Boston and the San Francisco Bay Area, where much medical research and education is conducted. —— Shakescene (talk) 21:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Diversity
http://www.queenspress.com/archives/features/2002/0607/feature.htm might help here. Especially note last section - about random selection. There could be many ways to quantify this, and it could change yearly (or even more often)--JimWae (talk) 20:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * i agree but that link doesnt seem to prove that the Queens is the most diverse county in the United States (we need prof) User:Smith Jones 21:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If my memory serves me well, I think that if you rummage deeply enough into the Census Briefs and other reports at http://www.census.gov there are attempts (at least for the 2000 Census returns) to quantify and list the most racially-diverse counties. If it's just a matter of counting the number of different ethnic, national and/or linguistic backgrounds, there would be stiff competition from cities and counties like San Francisco, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles County, Miami-Dade and Honolulu.


 * Looking at that Queenspress link, the last section does support (even if it doesn't conclusively prove) such an assertion, and give a verifiable definition:"The independent firm Claritas – a San Francisco based company that analyzes Census figures every 10 years – conducted an extensive study of Census demographics, and announced in July 2001 that Queens is the most diverse county of over 250,000 people in the country. The study, conducted every 10 years, measures the probability that two randomly selected people from a county are of different ethnicities. Queens scored the highest probability for the second straight Census count. Although Claritas Director of Demography Ken Hodges said it would be 'impossible' to judge if Queens is the most diverse place on Earth, he admitted, 'Based on international studies that I’ve seen, the United States is the most diverse country in the world, so if Queens is the most ethnically diverse in the United States, it would make sense that it’s the most diverse place on the planet. But there’s no way to say that for sure . . . You can just assume.' Salvo assumed there is no 'real way' to tell if Queens is the most diverse place on the planet, but said, 'It would be up there for sure.'"—— Shakescene (talk) 21:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Adjacent Counties
I'm not going to add this, but I should point out that Queens has a maritime boundary with both Staten Island (Richmond County) to the southwest, and Monmouth County, NJ to the south. 98.221.131.77 (talk) 23:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox
I think the population of the county for 2000 should be put in the infobox (not just a 2008 estimate). (I cannot edit the box correctly myself.) The 2000 population should be put in the first paragraph of the article, replacing the approximate number. hello (talk) 09:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Web site of the borough president of Queens
http://www.queensbp.org/ seems to be have been secured with username and password as of 2010-04-16. If this persists, the link should be marked as dead. patsw (talk) 01:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC) Fixed. patsw (talk) 00:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Neighborhood article renamed
Please see Talk:Forest Hills (Queens) to discuss the recent renaming of the article "Forest Hills, Queens" to "Forest Hills (Queens)". There are about 100 of these neighborhood articles for Queens, almost all named with the comma version. -Colfer2 (talk) 08:14, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Locust Manor, Queens


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 * Neighborhoods generally don't meet WP:N, no indication of notability fails WP:V

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changed sentance that read sort of like an add
originally it read "and JetBlue Airways, the low-cost airline based in John F. Kennedy Airport, is located in Forest Hills." i changed it to "and jetblue airways, the airline based in john f. Kennedy airport.". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.65.111 (talk) 21:58, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your vigilance, but that was probably an ok term to use. We have an article on the concept of a Low-cost carrier (or low-cost airline). We define JetBlue Airways as such an airline; it's a classification of their business model, not a promotional way of saying "hey, these guys are cheap!" But again, thanks for looking out for promotional material. --BDD (talk) 20:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Current status of water taxi
In the Waterways section, there is mention of Water Taxi service. I believe that this is not current, and should be updated. I am not sufficiently certain to make the edits myself. Ronstew (talk) 20:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Recommend removal of Cities as Boroughs sentence and reference
The first sentence of the second paragraph reads, "If each New York City borough were an independent city, Queens would be America's fourth largest city, after Los Angeles, Chicago, and Brooklyn.[3]" I recommend removing this sentence and its reference, because neither specifies what "largest" refers to. Largest in area? Population? I don't think it brings anything relevant to the article. AngryBear (talk) 19:03, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Challenging claim in demographics plus citation 82 seems to lead to Search.com
The statement "Many of these African Americans live in quiet, middle class suburban neighborhoods near the Nassau County border, such as Laurelton and Cambria Heights which have large black populations whose family income is higher than average. Those areas are known for their well kept homes, suburban feel, and low crime rates" lacks a source. Delete? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PortlandOregon97217 (talk • contribs) 09:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Updated the citation. Recommend deleting the earlier passage as uncited POV. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Queens Flag
The Borough of Queens has it's own flag (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-ny-qu.html) So why is the one for New York City in at large being used for the Borough in the infobox? -User:DanTD (talk) 04:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Most ethnically diverse urban area in the world
This fact is cited, but to a source that gives nothing to back it up. I'm not sure if any fact can back up such a claim. There is no concrete measure for diversity. Other areas such as London and Toronto claim the same "most diverse" status and Toronto's stats on foreign born population and number of languages spoken match Queens. - SimonP (talk) 13:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Attractions
Silvercup Studios is not a major attracton. Better to cite the Queens Museum, Gantry Park and/or the Museum of the Moving Image.--Jaconetqns (talk) 19:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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Real Estate Section
I'm thinking about adding a short real estate section. There's a considerable amount of developer activity in Queens over the past few years; upscale residences and retail. Anybody object? Would fit under 'Economy' section. Actionjackson09 (talk) 02:28, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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What is missing from the recently created Queens timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 13:27, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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, the edit in question was copy that has been part of the Neighborhoods for over a year and as such a default consensus. An IP editor (who has since been blocked but reappeared as another 'sock') removed it. At the very least we should allow the original editor a chance to add a citation and insert a 'citation needed' marker. Most of the Neighborhoods section lacks citation and perhaps a 'citation needed' statement should be at the lead of the section. What do you think? Jason from nyc (talk) 13:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * , but along with the editor who first removed the material I don't see the need for it either, and thus consensus would appear to be for removal. The absence of any sources or any indication of relevance only adds to the problems here. Alansohn (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem is that India is often assumed to be monolithic in terms of ethnicity. Here's what one article says "Indians don’t identify themselves solely as ‘Indian.’ They identify with their region of India, with their religion, with their language, and with their cuisine . . . . The Indian population in Queens is very diverse. It’s not just one group. It’s truly a Diaspora. ... An Indian group in Floral Park might identify more with an Indian group in Texas than a group in Jackson Heights." The article also notes "She explained that in the Eastern Queens neighborhoods of Glen Oaks, Bellerose and Floral Park, the dominant group is Malyalee, while in Richmond Hill, the dominant group is Punjabi. “In India, there are 20 official nationally-recognized languages. These are not dialects, they are separate languages. Then, there are regions, and each region corresponds with a different cuisine,” she said. “In America, people think that Indians are just one group. When I first came to America 18 years ago, I didn’t know what curry food was,” Khandelwal said, “I had never heard that word. But everyone kept giving it to me, so I said, ‘What is this?’” Indians struggle with the “vast differences” between American culture and Indian culture, and she said, “For immigrants, that’s probably the number one issue they feel. They feel Americans don’t understand their culture. There is a sense of gap there, but when you think about it, Americans have so many cultures to understand, it’s understandable why there’s a gap.”"Feel free to use that as a reference for the deleted text. I don't have time to edit this article anymore. An editor has asked me to help him finish work on another article that we both have invested several months of time. I'll leave this to the editors here. Good luck. Jason from nyc (talk) 15:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * There may be some confusion here, between the question of whether Wikipedia should say a thing, and whether this article should. This article already exceeds the suggestions in Splitting and ought to have fewer details, not more. On the topic of local enclaves of South Asian ethnicities (or ethnicities of other distant origins), it should be short and vague. The detailed neighborhood articles should be made large enough to explain precisely. Jim.henderson (talk) 11:17, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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It is not essential to put that President Trump was born here in the lead, since it slants the article toward recent events (namely his election). It is not absolutely necessary to talk about Trump while describing Queens since there are more important things that can be described in the lead, like area, population, demographics, and neighborhoods.

I have restored to the original version of the lead. Please don't restore that information without consensus. Thanks, epicgenius (talk) 02:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Vast majority of towns and cities of Presidential birth are in the lead - examples include Mount Vernon VA Hyde Park NY Oyster Bay NY Independence MO Yorba Linda CA and Plains GA among others

Epicgenius if the common convention is to include Presidential birth in the lead what makes Queens an exception?


 * I know that it is the convention. I just don't think it should belong in the first paragraph of the lead because that is for the most important details, and that sentence just looked awkward in that position. I tried moving the statement to the third paragraph in the lead. Sometimes it's not about consistency, but about how it reads. epicgenius (talk) 15:34, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The information is already sourced in the body paragraphs in the "Famous people" section. It does not need a citation in the lead paragraph per WP:CITELEAD. Also, it is pretty notable if a president is born here, so it should be included. epicgenius (talk) 17:59, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Is this really primary over the common noun Queen, however there isn't a specific article there, but that doesn't mean "Queens" can be about the borough per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

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Many years ago I was informed, by editors and administrators alike, that the consensus on the use on flags in infoboxes was that "settlements" are not an exception, and, after a random glance at towns of all sizes across the world, it appears most editors are compliant. However, their removal to this article has been reverted by with the following edit summary: "rv chg per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG re use for populated places)", and although MOS:INFOBOXFLAG does say, there appears to have been no debate on this or consensus reached.  My Favourite Account '  😊 16:29, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Image problems


We have a few image problem in the article including fix pixel size...sandwich of text and undue gallery of minni images indicating that highways are the most important thing here.,,thus it needs many images. Let alone some sections with no images and others just overwhelmed with images. Any suggestions on how we can fix the accessibility concerns?--Moxy (talk) 14:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the complaint in the first image. I think the general standard is for an exception against the sandwiching guideline with the case of infoboxes. If there was no exception, then those sections adjacent to the infobox would not be allowed any photos whatsoever, which is ridiculous. This exception has precedents in Featured Articles - I could easily find some like Bull Run River (Oregon), Bulgaria, Horseshoe Curve (Pennsylvania), and Nauru. As for the other problematic images you indicated, I think they're atrocious and need to go. ɱ  (talk) 19:57, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Realistically there's rarely a good reason to sandwich text and make the sentence fragmented for some readers MOS:ACCIM.... but I do agree it's the norm sometimes for infoboxes... but in this case it's a navigational box regurgitating links in the section and other navboxes. WP:SANDWICH "How­ever, a­void sand­wich­ing text be­tween two im­ages or cha­rts that face each oth­er; or be­tween an im­age and in­fo­box, nav­i­ga­tion tem­plate, or sim­i­lar." --Moxy (talk) 01:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've removed the gallery from the Transportation section. Now the article looks adequately imaged. Castncoot (talk) 03:21, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As you can see, Moxy, WP:SANDWICH is probably the least enforced, least respected, and has the lowest degree of consensus of any guideline or policy. If FAs do it plenty with infoboxes, we can do it here. And this Long Island navbox serves as an extension of the infobox, as these topical navboxes do. If you want to remove the navbox, go ahead, but it seems it's used on all other articles it links to. Consider too reducing the size of the largely useless icon of an image in that navbox. ɱ  (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Simply horrible to hear this POV about an MoS geared towards disabled people. Now that your bringng this to light in this manner....I think your right and its time that its a policy based item.... we're pretty lucky the foundation already backs this so it shouldn't be too hard. That said I have not written a policy proposal in a long time....will ping you when it's ready.-Moxy (talk) 02:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No personal attacks is a policy, so your mention that "simply horrible people don't care" is worthy of a topic ban on these MOS topics. Watch your tongue. Let me know if you write a policy on sandwiching, I'll be happy to vote against it. It's 2019 and mobile and desktop Wikipedia are well-designed not to have sentences broken up in an illegible way when sandwiched. So what's the point? ɱ  (talk) 15:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)


 * no, it's not, the biggest problem here has always been the 'panoramas', which are mostly just huge regular-proportioned images. Please reduce to about 220px. ɱ  (talk) 18:19, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That's preposterous. Look at Boston, San Francisco, Houston, etc. Why would you make a cityscape (or equivalent boroughscape) 220px? Standards evolve, I'm not sure you identify with that concept. Castncoot (talk) 01:49, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * With both Boston and SF, when they became FAs and when they underwent FA reviews, they didn't have those giant panos. Clearly some editor like you added them in at one point and they stuck, but they'd never pass an FA today with that. ɱ  (talk) 15:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, look, it was you! Just slipped through the cracks for a couple years, as things on Wikipedia almost always do. These hoaxes mostly lasted longer. I guess it's time to discuss reducing/removing those too, now. ɱ  (talk) 15:17, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not true Ɱ, get your facts straight, please. San Francisco and Houston I was not involved in, period. In Boston's page, I participated but have found support among other editors, also including those who could not simply miss prominent panoramas; and if the Boston panoramas have stuck for over three years, doesn't that tell you something (other than your mistaken impression that most editors are sheep)? Castncoot (talk) 00:18, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

File:Flushing Queens May 2015 2.jpg is a bad photo and doesn't need to be 800 pixels wide in its own private section (or a section with two other similar photos). I can understand including a skyline panorama in a city article, if its relevant for illustrating the text of the section its used in. But File:Flushing Queens May 2015 2.jpg is not a panorama or a skyline, its 4:3, and mostly shows an empty plaza with, and let me be tactful, a gentleman napping on the stairs. The intersection behind that isn't even particularly busy, which is what the caption claims it to be. This is a busy intersection. But most of all, I want to stop seeing the rationale of keeping content because its "been there longstandingly". Per WP:CONTENTAGE, "if some material is not suitable for Wikipedia by current standards, it will be deleted or corrected, regardless of how old it is." Thanks!-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 17:22, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, you made your case beautifully, Patrick, I really cannot argue with any of your points. Why don't we then put up a different (or the same) Long Island City picture back up as a single borough skyline image? Castncoot (talk) 01:41, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, I added File:Long Island City New York May 2015 panorama 3.jpg in the Economy section, where Long Island City is mentioned in the text as the site of several corporate headquarters. I don't think it needs the whole Template:Wide image though, its not a panorama either, its just a cropped 2:1 image, there's no photos stitched together.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 03:30, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not what I was referring to, but for now I suppose it will have to remain as a sectional placeholder under Economy since it is not a true panorama. Would it be possible at all for someone to procure an updated panoramic image of Long Island City and/or Downtown Flushing in order to compose a central Borough scape(s) section...? Two good editors who come to mind might be User:Jleon and User:Epicgenius. Best, Castncoot (talk) 20:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Replying to your ping here. What would you like me to take a panorama of? LIC is easy to do, but Flushing is a bit out of the way for me (opposite direction from where I usually go to school/work). epicgenius (talk) 21:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Personally epicgenius, I think the Flushing image you took in 2015 was excellent, given that it's such a challenging location to shoot a still photo from. Unfortunately, others have criticized its resolution and/or lack of clearly visible crowds when the caption labels it as the busy intersection that it truly is. I'm thinking that a pano of the same intersection as well as of LIC would both be excellent, as 1) they would remove the critics' objections stated above, 2) they would become true panoramas that could do justice to a Boroughscape section for Queens as with Cityscape sections, and 3) both of those locations have changed significantly anyway (even since 2015!) due to their rapid transformations, and this would give us a chance to update them. Whatever panos you can take and upload as boroughcapes would be helpful, given that Queens is so underpictorialized on Wikipedia for its population, importance, and overall notability. Thank you and best, Castncoot (talk) 22:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That sounds great. For Flushing it might be difficult to create a panorama (probably impossible for me to do at rush hour since it's pretty far from where I need to go, but it's doable if it's midday). For LIC, what kind of view do you want? There are a few places that are rapidly developing that I can take pictures of, like Queens Plaza, but the more specific the better. I generally want to stick to locations along the 7 train if possible due to the limited amount of time I can take out of my day. epicgenius (talk) 00:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * This may come as a surprise to you...but what do you think about getting a pano from Roosevelt Island, panning from the Newton Creek that separates Brooklyn and Queens, all the way up to the Triboro Bridge, where the East River becomes the Harlem River? I certainly don't want you to interfere with your busy schedule...I don't think there's any kind of urgency here. But it certainly would be nice to get this at some point in the near future! Best, Castncoot (talk) 01:05, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There aren't that many places that fit these criteria. I'll have to do some research on where the best place is for that kind of panorama. Even at the Roosevelt Island Tramway stop (which is midway between the Triboro Bridge and Newtown Creek), it's hard to see past the Roosevelt Island Bridge. epicgenius (talk) 01:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds good thanks, looking forward to the finished product! Maybe an aerial picture from the tram itself? Whatever you procure I'm sure will undoubtedly be notable. Castncoot (talk) 01:35, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Epicgenius - may I ask how this is progressing? Castncoot (talk) 23:07, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It may be a while longer, as I am still busy. I've been able to make it as far as Central Park during my free time, though. epicgenius (talk) 00:22, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That's funny. Thanks, Castncoot (talk) 00:30, 14 April 2019 (UTC)