Talk:Quickdraw

Some ambiguity here. The rope is always attached to the bent gate to prevent abrasion to the rope -- I assume that any abrasion prevention is by merit of reserving the rope-carrying carabiner as pristine and the other as subject to rock-borne abuse. In particular, the shape of the gate has nothing to do with abrasion prevention.

Also, the article states that wire gates are often preferred from a safety perspective. What are the safety benefits of a wire gate? Is it because they are less likely to snag the rope as it is fed through the gate?


 * To answer your first question, the shape of the bent gates supposedly aids clipping the rope into the carabiner with one hand. (I say supposedly because I don't notice it being any easier.)  The bent gate does offer an increased maximum diameter for the opening.  Rope-wear consideration is probably just a secondary factor, but has no relation to the actual shape of the gate.


 * For your second question, wire gates are less likely to open momentarily if a sudden shock is applied to the back spine of the carabiner. Whether the solid gates would open sufficiently to allow the rope to unclip, even in the worst case, is debateable though.


 * Stewart Adcock 4 July 2005 08:27 (UTC)
 * It's important to distinguish the rope end and the bolt end of a quickdraw, so having different carabiners helps. After a fall, the carabiner that was clipped to the bolt may develop tiny sharp spurs from the impact with bolt or piton. If the two ends of the draw are used interchangeably, the rope may be clipped to the carabiner with the spur.  If the rope runs under tension, e.g. another fall or lowering off, this can rip the sheath of the climbing rope.96.54.53.165 (talk) 18:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If the gate bounces open on a fall, then the strength rating of the carabiner drops to around 7-9 kN depending on the make. This is much less likely to happen with a wire gate.96.54.53.165 (talk) 19:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Spelling (carabiner / karabiner)
Hi -- just wondering why the spelling of carabiner as "karabiner"? In the US, the c-spelling is generally used. Also: agree with Stewart's note above. Will add that wire gates are generally easier to clip, as the gate generally opens easier than a non-wire-gate carabiner.

I have changed the spellings here karabiner --> carabiner. See Talk:Carabiner for discussion please. Garrettcobb 05:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation
This product obviously seems to derive its name from the gun-slinging technique, the quick draw. I would personally like to see "quick draw" redirect to the fast draw page, which covers the technique. However, at the very least, I think it should be added to the disambiguation header. Warthomp (talk) 22:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Extenders???
aka Extenders??? I have never heard this usage, and consider myself well-traveled. Is there a reference for calling these "Extenders"? Is their an English-speaking climbing population that calls these "Extenders"? If not, I will remove the aka. Ratagonia (talk) 01:31, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * How about the whole of the United Kingdom. 96.54.32.44 (talk) 04:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

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Image promoting incorrect / unsafe quickdraw use?
The image of the quickdraw attached to the bolt shows arguably incorrect and unsafe usage.

Quickdraws often have one side where the carabiner is attached to the dogbone with a rubber fixing that limits the rotation of the quickdraw. The other carabiner does not have a rubber fixing so can rotate more freely.

The general usage is "rubber to rope", where the carabiner with the rubber fixing is the one to which the rope is clipped. The image showing the quickdraw clipped to the bolt is the other way round.

I would suggest that this image be replaced as there is a safety implication as quickdraws in this configuration are more likely to get cross-loaded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JTidman (talk • contribs) 01:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)