Talk:Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio

questionable info
I deleted the following statement:

"Metellus Scipio and Aemilia were also the parents of Lucius Caecilius, born ca. 75 BC, whose son (born ca. 45 BC) and grandson (born ca. 15 BC) carried the same name."

I can find no evidence of this, and it seems to conflict with what Ronald Syme says in The Augustan Aristocracy. Please do restore it if you find a source. I also deleted a bunch of unsourced genealogy: "He married Aemilia Lepida, daughter of Mamercus Aemilius Lepidus Livianus (the son of the censor Marcus Livius Drusus and wife Cornelia Scipio and adopted by Mamercus Aemilius Lepidus) and his wife Claudia (sister of Appius Claudius Pulcher, senior)." At the risk of sounding dumb, I found this confusing to follow and distracting. It's better presented as a stemma on a chart, unless the family relations are brought to bear on the biography. I think, anyway. Cynwolfe (talk) 19:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

deleted statements about tribunate and plebeian status
I deleted the following statements, although I don't think it's implausible and may have been argued when Scipio's tribunate was asserted:


 * "although his plebeian adoption may have qualified him on a technicality (at least, while his allies remained in power, they might have looked favourably on the argument for his candidacy.)"

This was inserted before the footnote containing sources that emphatically deny that Scipio ever had plebeian status as a result of his 'adoption', which both Syme and Linderski say was not an adoption, even along the lines of the usual Roman 'adoption' procedure whereby an adult is adopted for the purpose of carrying on a family name. I don't object to the presentation of this point as an alternative interpretation, but it needs to be supported by a source. I think, though I'll have to check, that Broughton, who originally listed the tribunate in the first printing of MRR vol. 2, recanted in vol. 3. Cynwolfe (talk) 00:28, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, yes, I see I already have a note on Broughton recanting. Cynwolfe (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Salvito's father and Publius Cornelius Scipio (16BC)'s grandfather
During the Civil War between Pompey and Caesar, Salvito traveled to North Africa to assist another of Pompey’s allies, King Juba I of Numidia. There was a prophecy that Caecilius Metellus, Salvito's father, would become victorious over Caesar in Africa, however Caesar mocked this. Surely this is a falsehood. Because Publius Cornelius Scipio Salvito surely would have changed his name to Caescilius Metellus but keep Scipio and later obtain the cognomen Salvito, unless his father was adopted before Salvito was born, I suppose. But there is a section which refers to a son being born around 70 BC. This son is the right age to be Salvito. Or he could be adopted, I suppose. Thoughts? --I am the Blood 23:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)Bold text —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blood3 (talk • contribs)


 * Don't know. I suspect Jerzy Linderski, "Q. Scipio Imperator," in Imperium sine fine: T. Robert S. Broughton and the Roman Republic (Franz Steiner, 1996) would have some kind of answer; there is a partial preview online. I have a copy at home but don't have time to check at the moment. Please post here again if you are unable to find a source for the Salvito point you wish to add and would like for me to check for you in Linderski. Cynwolfe (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Father/grandfather?
I noticed on this page that P. Cornelius Scipio Nasica (consul 111 B.C.) is listed as Metellus Scipio's grandfather. The link for P. Nasica sends you to the correct page, but on that page, Metellus Scipio is listed as his son. Could someone with more experience look at this? 174.61.204.122 (talk) 15:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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