Talk:Qutb Minar

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More Historical Info regarding demolition of Preislamic artifact is required
Far be it from me to insert myself into an old argument, but why does this article credulously claim that Qutb Minar was built by a Muslim, when anybody with a functioning set of eyes can see that the Koran script has been hastily carved over the top of Hindu symbols like bells (illegal in Islam), and Lotus flowers? For that matter, why does it say the Mosque was "built by the Sultans", when anyone can clearly see that they've slapped a dome on a Hindu temple, and done a quick job of trying to cover up the Hindu carvings? To say that Qutb Minar was "built" after the mosque "was built" in 1192, is complete nonsense. Nobody believes that except those desperately trying to hang onto long discredited Muslim propaganda. I don't have any skin in this game being neither Hindu, nor Muslim, nor Indian, but I'm not stupid either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xpusostomos (talk • contribs) 12:44, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I have added that Qutub Minar was not built by destroying Hindu and Jain temples instead of just telling hindu temples. Citation is added from another wiki article "Islam and Jainism" Ashish13012009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashish13012009 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The article just throws a pic of the ancient indian artifacts without mentioning that Qutub minar was a Jain and probably a buddhist network of temple.

Just where the did ashok stambh land their and the ruins ouside? Visiting them its obvious that they were destroyed delibrately and....

72.93.107.15 (talk) 06:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's particularly beautiful. It's fairly ugly. Can we remove that word in the description? 206.103.66.134 07:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

yeah. i support the removal of that word "beautiful". but would look to have more comments on that. nids 21:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree; I think it's extradordinarily beautiful. That word should remain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.63.146 (talk) 05:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't it originally 7 stories, instead of the present 5. Can someone please look into it.

no it wasnt seven stories at any point. this is a gross missconception. even i heard that when i was a kid. it was started by some muslims who wanted to defame the brit rule. i have looked enough in the matter and u can be rest assured that it has never been higher than it is now. and yes, always sign ur page by writing ~ below ur edit nids 21:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi all, may we please change the name in the wikipage from Qutb Minar to Qutub Minar? - vdhoot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vdhoot (talk • contribs) 19:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Clearly Qutub Minar is built over a former temple most likely a Hindu temple. Within the Qutub Minar structure there are still remnants of the old Hindu temple. With in the rubble that was used as the base you see several pieces with hindu inscriptions still intact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:112F:80A3:F9F1:B0C7:3793:408 (talk) 22:25, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposition
can i merge it with qutub complex.nids 19:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? It seems pretty substantial here.  It's like the Washington Monument vs. the National Mall.  For that reason I disagree for now. --Bobak 20:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I have a image of the close up of the writing i will post it in a few... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Item to add to article?
This article was referenced in the article Sidi Bashir mosque, regarding some terrible stampede event. It seems notable enough for inclusion if anyone can hunt it down properly --Bobak 20:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Top 2 minarets
Someone told me that the top two stories were destroyed by a plane crash. Is it true ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.24.2.25 (talk • contribs).


 * No. Its plane nonsense.nids(&#9794;) 12:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Banner/Delhi Addition
Note: WP India Project Banner with Delhi workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Delhi or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate, please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag   TALK2ME  08:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

The following page could be considered as an external link as it is quite informative

http://www.indiapicks.com/Heritage/Qutb/Qutb-1.htm

59.95.161.81 (talk) 17:06, 25 May 2010 (UTC)Venkat

Not the world's tallest stone tower
I removed a claim in the article that it is the world's tallest freestanding tower. The Washington monument is also a free standing stone tower and is over twice as high. It is is both the world's tallest stone structure and the world's tallest obelisk, standing 555 feet 51⁄8 inches (169.294 m). I followed the link provided with this claim and was unable to see in the Guiness book where the claim is substantiated. Perhaps it is the most massive or something like that?Pbmaise (talk) 07:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)I think this guy might be right

Title is messed up
The title, "Qutb Minar" doesn't match with text in the article. The common term used in the article is "Qutub Minar", while "Qutb Minar" is never used, except in the overview.Jellyfsh (talk) 01:28, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Does someone know how to change the name? Or how we correct this? RuthLivingstone (talk) 09:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC) OK I worked it out ✅ RuthLivingstone (talk) 10:06, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Copy edit
Just about complete I think. RuthLivingstone (talk) 10:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Final copy edit done:

Qutb Minar vs Qutub Minar
The article was a bit of a mess from what I guess has been multiple assertions back and forth between names. The last one that brought this article to my attention broke some images and a url reference. All good faith edits but we work on the Golden rule here and the most Reliable Sources in the article all show "Qutb Minar" - I would guess locally and in less formal places it is more often known as "Qutub Minar" but as an encyclopaedia the 'official' name is preferred (and Qutub Minar redirects here).
 * Archaeological Survey of India is a government site here uses "Qutb Minar"
 * The UNESCO World Heritage Centre is a respected site here and uses "Qutb Minar"
 * Also the Plaque from the site uses "Qutb Minar" - so a very good source.
 * http://qutubminardelhi.com uses "Qutub Minar" but does not appear to be official in any way and its references are a mixture of Qutb and Qutub

It would require very good reliable sources to contradict the Archaeological Survey of India, UNESCO World Heritage Centre and the actual Plaque from the site. Hopefully this makes things clearer from future editors. KylieTastic (talk) 13:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Can someone actually standardize the text of the page? The two spellings are used interchangeably throughout. Not cool. 99.250.150.154 (talk) 02:57, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I standardized the spelling to be consistent with the title, but I think a WP:Requested Move may be in order. While the 'official' UNESCO name may be "Qutb Minar", the preponderance of reliable sources spell it "Qutub Minar". Regardless of the "official" name, our guideline is WP:COMMONNAME, which says we should use the most common name as the article title. ~Amatulić (talk) 04:33, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

History
Someone please see the history section. It is cut of and begins with and in one paragraph. Please fix.King Prithviraj II (talk) 15:27, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

The line "In 1505, an earthquake damaged Qutub Minar". A major earthquake that hit the region in that year was 1505 Lo Mustang earthquake. Was it the same earthquake? Perhaps an expert in history can check this out and add a reference. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.232.241.237 (talk) 05:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Language in a line is confusing.
The line: "Khwaja Qutbuddin Bakhtiar Kaki was a sufi saint after whom this minaret was named. Qutubuddin Aibak, at that time a deputy of Muhammad of Ghor, but after his death, founder of the Delhi Sultanate, started construction of the Qutb Minar's first storey in 1199." is very confusing and, at first glance, seems to imply that Aibak was the one who died. A more clarified sentence would be: "Khwaja Qutbuddin Bakhtiar Kaki was a sufi saint after whom this minaret was named. Qutubuddin Aibak was, at that time a deputy of Muhammad of Ghor, but after Muhammads death, became the founder of the Delhi Sultanate and started construction of the Qutb Minar's first storey in 1199. Any suggestions?180.151.148.60 (talk) 13:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've tweaked it a bit. But, since the article is not protected, you can go ahead and edit it yourself. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:37, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Temple?
I notice that a number of editors are trying to add material that says that the Qutb Minar was built after destroying a Hindu temple. Please note that an image from the British library taken more than 100 years ago is does not satisfy WP:HISTRS. You need to find modern peer reviewed scholarly sources that make this assertion. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It is very well known (because of the clear visual evidence, and an original inscription saying so) that the mosque nearby reused columns from many Hindu temples; however where those were located is unknown. There may be spolia used in the tower, though not openly visible as in the mosque, but the same applies. This article is only about the tower - the mosque and complex both have their own articles. Johnbod (talk) 15:37, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Could well be but it needs to be well sourced. The Qutb Minar is an important monument and there must be academic papers on its history etc. --RegentsPark (comment) 15:49, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No doubt, but your first sentence above repeats the mistake the reverted editors made: "a number of editors are trying to add material that says that the Qutb Minar was built after destroying a Hindu temple" - all of that stuff relates to the mosque, not the tower. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, understood. Thanks for the clarification. --RegentsPark (comment) 20:32, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * "Qutb Minar" is often loosely used to refer to the whole Qutb complex, but while we have two articles we should insist on keeping them different. Actually I see the mosque only has a section in the "complex" article, but the spolia issue is well-covered there. Johnbod (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect History And Wrong Sources
Its History Is Being Tampered With Please Take Down This Page. Xcelciorknight (talk) 09:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, we'll just keep editing to keep it correct, as I've just done. Johnbod (talk) 15:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Qutb Minar complex is also getting some very fringe insertions. -- Raziman T V (talk) 18:46, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting posits in https://www.sanskritimagazine.com/qutub-minar-or-dhurva-stambha/  and the rather lengthy https://pparihar2011.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/the-dhruva-stambha-vishnu-dhvaja-qutub-minar.pdf
 * Do they merit a relook? Moitraanak (talk) 16:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2021
Qutb minar is not middle eastern structure..that small words is incorrect..Islam is a religion and india mosques all structures are from their own respective nation region..mosques are religious institutions as are churches so you don't call churches in Europe or Asia nations as middleeasterners structure..also Many Muslim. Indians also constructed Qutb minar however they were newer converts and muslims..India Muslims newer converts were not placing written sculpted portions however..all Islam religion related architecture in india central Asia even Iran Afghanistan under turks had Muslims indian ethnic builders craftsmen artists engineers also built and not just hindus..India Muslims were main residents of that region not central asians only who fled Mongol invaders. That was some of leaders and slaves a small number who fled the region however many ethnic Indians were in DEHLI and regional areas for hundreds of years. Most were not central Asian who build nor attended qutb minar..this is our Indian and indian Muslims history.dont allows false information to be here as portions bits are wrong here but major wrongs..plenty of Muslims were architects artist engineers who were Muslims residents and even many brought in from other states from Muslims communities. Qutb minar was done by several dynasties and not just one with different groups doing construction at different times. Please allow edit as its vital to correct history Bharatihist (talk) 08:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2021
Change image from "Qutb Minar 2011.jpg" (a decade old photograph) to "Qutub Minar lit up at sunset.jpg" (captured earlier this month). A.sachit (talk) 12:14, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No thanks - sunset images are always a terrible idea to illustrate buildings. Johnbod (talk) 12:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Does a decade matter on a 900 year old structure? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:10, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Not an islamic monument but a Hindu temple
Vandalised by midevil islamic rulers... Please stop educating with false information... Atleast highlight the facts 49.205.36.100 (talk) 12:52, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Proposal to add a section dedicated to: The Quran inscribed on the Qutub Minar
I believe the section on the Quran inscribed on the Qutub Minar is a stub. Here is what the text currently says, "The inscriptions are as follows: Quran, sura II, verses 255-60; Quran, sura LIX, verses 22-23, and attributes of God...". I strongly recommend there is more clarity, detail and comprehensiveness on these verses. Possibly using quran.com/2/255-260 as a reference. Possibly including both the Arabic text and English translation of The Clear Quran by Mustafa Khattab in the section

spartymantz (talk) 12:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read the following Wikipedia policy pages original research and primary sources. Best. --RegentsPark (comment) 12:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2023
Citation 13 is invalid and doesn’t exist. All relevance of citation 13 to be removed 103.51.116.123 (talk) 19:42, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Sure seems to exist. Cannolis (talk) 21:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Edit request - remove duplicate
In the History section it says

"It contains a spiral staircase of 379 steps.[24][1]

The whole tower contains a spiral staircase of 379 steps.[24] "

Please remove the unnecessary duplicate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.30.48 (talk) 01:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Include Tara Devi death
Should the death of Tara Devi of Kapurthala and her two dogs be added to the history or controversy sections? 172.58.128.188 (talk) 11:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)