This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject New Zealand, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New Zealand and New Zealand-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New ZealandWikipedia:WikiProject New ZealandTemplate:WikiProject New ZealandNew Zealand articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations articles
This article is of interest to WikiProject LGBT studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBT-related issues on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.LGBT studiesWikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studiesTemplate:WikiProject LGBT studiesLGBT articles
A fact from Randy W. Berry appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 February 2016 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Randy W. Berry, who grew up on a cattle ranch in Colorado, is the first-ever Special Envoy for the Human Rights of LGBTI Persons in the US Department of State?
@Zigzig20s: why would the section on Berry's personal life and the section on Randy's early life be splitted? Both are very short, and I see no indication that anyone is meaning to expand either of them. The topic of the sections (Berry's life outside of his career) overlaps neatly. ~Mable (chat) 16:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's a standard layout. It's also more chronological. Yes, the article will be expanded as we find out more.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:01, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to it being standard layout: "early life" and "personal life" also generally refer to different aspects of a person's bio. While "early life" and "personal life" are indeed about Berry's life outside of his career, they generally refer to different aspects of a person's bio. "Early life" is more about where a person was born and grew up, where they went to high school and college, maybe a bit of info about their parents or siblings if sourced, etc. Think of it as their past personal life. "Personal life" pertains more to the present personal life of the subject, i.e. their current family, any spouse or children, where they live right now, and any other noteworthy characteristics, such as sexual orientation, health condition, etc. All properly sourced, of course. Hope this clarifies. GabeIglesia (talk) 17:10, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It just looks rather awkward to me, and standard layouts are little more than suggestions based on what generally works well. I won't pressure you on it too much, though - if you find more information, feel free to expand on the sections and get them to a decent size. ~Mable (chat) 17:13, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
EDIT: I understand the difference between the two topics, but that doesn't mean that they can't fit together in one section. I'd find them a natural split if it is necessary, but it doesn't seem necessary here yet. ~Mable (chat) 17:13, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi User:Maplestrip: Can you please revert the edits where you removed the in-line references? I think you are trying to help but frankly, that's not helpful. The reason we cite everything is because when we expand the article, we need to know which reference is used for what. If you want to help by adding new content, that's great, but removing in-line citations is dispiriting. Not trying to be a reference diva here--I hope you understand.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:37, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the excessive inline citations per WP:REPCITE:
If one source alone supports consecutive sentences in the same paragraph, one citation of it at the end of the final sentence is sufficient. It is not necessary to include a citation for each individual consecutive sentence, as this is overkill.
I think that the current text-source integrity is perfectly fine, though if this is getting in the way of your plans to expand the article, I'll undo the edit ^_^; ~Mable (chat) 18:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
