Talk:Ranger's Apprentice

Publication date?

 * Does anyone know what day Rangers Apprentice coming out I would like to know because the second book got me hooked with the ending. User:72.40.49.46 at 12:13, 24 January 2007

Time for a Split
each section is getting mighty big, and they all are basically lists with some detail. I sudgest that the biggest sections are made seperate articles and just the lists without any accompianing information are left behind (along with a main article tag of course). eventualy this page could kinda be made like a box portal with each list in it's own box. Anyone aggree? --Sonarpulse (talk) 02:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well nobody responded so I did just that, hope you all like the new portal. it is kindov unconventional right now, but with more articles it can be made better--Sonarpulse (talk) 02:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not really sure if that is appropriate...  Marlith  (Talk)   03:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite
There are actually articles for each of the books, so can someone who has read and knows more about the series make a summary of the entire series' plot instead of having separate summaries for each book? Or maybe just rewrite the summaries, as they seem to written in a style that is slightly non-neutral (please see WP:NPOV)? The character section needs to be worked on too, as well as the list of fiefs. I think the list of fiefs might need to be expanded and integrated into the article better, and a good plot summary and description of the books' setting/world would do just that. I admit that I haven't read any of the books, but I am interested in helping improve the article. :) SilentAria 10:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I just read book three. It was a gift, otherwise I would have started at the beginning. So, I can't help with an overall summary, but I would love to know how a reader would KNOW if a particular character is to appear in book seven, before it happens. Is book seven already published in Australia? If so, then I don't think we need a fact-checker, but all that about what books the characters appear in is kind of redundant. Ebonyskye 10:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I just re-read the summary for book 3, and it is word-for-word the same summary as printed on the book cover. I assume the others are the same. Does this constitute a copyright violation? Or is it OK to use the same description that the publisher wrote. It is fitting. Also, the only citation I can see that would be needed in the character summaries is the bit about them showing up in book 7. Could we just remove that and leave what is already established in the previous books, assuming that is common knowledge for anyone who read them? Ebonyskye 09:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm reasonably certain that posting the teaser descriptions for the books is fair use. Infringement depends in part on whether the market for the book is adversely affected by the excerpt. Since the blurb on the back of the book is used to sell the book, I don't think that using it in the article can do anything but encourage the purchase of the books. But then we get into neutrality territory. The summaries need to be rewritten anyway, as the main point of each book is unclear, and because of the atrocious grammar. Rauldy (talk) 01:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Fiefs
I have a question about the fiefs, if there are 50 Rangers, that would mean there are 50 fiefs as well would that not? I was just wondering if John had a name for all of them, and if no one here knows I suppose I could email him, but I figured I'd ask here in the talk page about it so that if there are a name for them, then they could be added.71.185.226.119 00:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC) as far as I remember they don't name all 50 fiefs/rangers during the books but their is 50 fiefs and 50 rangers Great Book! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.55.232 (talk) 04:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Release dates

They say 6 of 7 books have been released in this series but i have only seen and read 3 of them in them in the U.S. Can anyone help me explain this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazz9415 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, only 3 of the series were actually released in the U.S., and 6 books were released in Austrailia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.78.45.103 (talk) 01:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The Movie
I got an email after sending an email to John at his sight that said,

Hi, thanks for writing,

I’m sorry to do this because I hate computer generated replies in the past I have avoided doing them.

However, I’ll be away for several weeks and I’ll only have limited email access, via webmail. Webmail is a clumsy process and it makes it a very time consuming business to reply to the emails I receive. As a result, I’ll be weeks catching up when I get back.

So forgive me if for this one period of the year, I reply with a general email. I promise I will read all the messages that come in and I’ll get back to answering new messages that come in after the first week of January in person.

To those of you in the USA who want to know when Book 4 will be released, it will be out in March 2008. It will be titled “The Battle for Skandia” but it will be the same book as “Oakleaf Bearers’. I’ll be touring the US in April but so far I don’t have an itinerary. When I do I’ll post it on my website.

To Australian readers, Book 8 will be released next November. Book 9 will follow. I haven’t set any limit on the number of books there will be in the series. If I get an idea for a good story, I’ll write it.

To those of you who wrote to tell me you enjoy the books, thank you so much. I really do enjoy hearing from you. '''We’ve just signed a movie option deal for the series so it’s looking good for at least one Rangers movie in the next few years. Maybe more.'''

Once again, forgive me for this automatic reply, just this one time.

John Flanagan

READ THE BOLD PRINT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.164.104 (talk) 03:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Sites
I put up my site, araluenrpg.proboards62.com up as a link. I hope you all join!

75.84.83.180 (talk) 22:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)Sapphira Lily

Disaster
The article is a disaster. It makes me sad. =(

I will be working on it, you can too! Thanks, NightFalcon90909 (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Settings
Though a map is not given, I believe the land to be based on europe. Skandians are the viking in skandinavia. There are also a people called the teutons, which were a group and nation of german knights. could someone please look into this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.141.238 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 21 February 2009 furthermore, gallica could be france or gaul which was origionally settled by the celts. also, auraleun, or whatever the main country is, is an island and uses longbow. could be england. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.141.238 (talk) 01:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC) also, celtica could be wales and the temuji could be the mongols. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.141.238 (talk) 00:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

It does seem pretty clear that it is based on a map of Europe however it might be hard to find a source to verify the claims in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.84.84 (talk) 11:44, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, The country Hibernia sounds a lot like ireland, with the brough accent, and other traits. Genovisan (SP?) sounds a lot like spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.83.245 (talk) 19:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

a map is provided in the 10th book — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewarrior72 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup 2009
Upon a review of this article, I suggest that the following be done. --Lendorien (talk) 16:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Major merge attempt. All the book articles could be merged into this one. I'm not sure any of the books are notable enough by themselves to have individual articles. In any case, all are big stubbed unsourced messes anyway. The synopsis here are possibly sufficent. If the decision is made to keep them unmerged, then each section on each book should have a wikilink going to that book's article at the very least.
 * Major rewrite needed. There are a lot of broken sentences in this article and it's not written in an encyclopedic style at all.
 * Setting section should be deleted as it currentlys tands. Lists of this nature are not useful or informative. A general prose section describing the world in general terms would be more appropriate.
 * The massive Character section should be broken out into its own article. ei.: Characters of the Rangers Apprentice Series
 * Character section needs complete rewite.
 * Background on the series, who wrote it, information about writing, style, etc. needs inclusion
 * Critical reception section need inclusion.
 * Sections need to be culled in a major way. (already did some work on this.)
 * Sourcing.

Names and Setting
I remember in book 8, that a ranger retired to give Gilan the fief of Whitby. Since I gave my book away to my friend, I forgot his name. Can someone please re-read the book an check? It is said during the ranger Gathering in chapter 4 or 5 I think. Please check up and add.

Also, I agree that it is in Europe, I think Flanagan even said he based it on Great Brittian for Araluen and the others for the inlands of Europe. I believe Skandia is based on Skandinavia also and Skandians are vikings, as said.

I believe the "Devil horse riders fro the East" are the Soviet Union people, as it might be a thing because it was before the evolution. Talk about it, it might be true.

I wonder if Picta or Celtice is counted for Ireland. But I have a suspicion that Hibernia is Ireland because it is an island next to Araluen.

Yours best, Smarty4ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smarty4ever (talk • contribs) 22:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I pretty sure his name was Alun and I feel the same about the whole Europe thing and about Hibernia being based on Ireland. Gloryify (talk) 06:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It may be true but just adding it would qualify as WP:OR without any references. If you can find some to add in that would be great! Derild  49  21  ☼  19:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

--- while this is a 2 year old comment i feel its not worth making a new heading for this confirmation. in book 11 where we have a fictional researcher looking for the lost tales the location of the books is confirmed to be in the area now known as britan, Flanagan while making a fictional world did base all areas from the real world and even used the olden names for countries. this was something he was picked up on in many of his diffrent public signings.152.91.9.153 (talk) 23:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Photograph
Could someone please add a picture of the entire series, see Harry Potter for a good example. Adabow (talk) 10:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge Characters in Ranger's Apprentice into here.
Suggest merging Characters in Ranger's Apprentice into here. The spinout article duplicates the character info already here, has no references to reliable sources, and has too much detail for Wikipedia. --John Nagle (talk) 16:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Adabow  ( talk )  00:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure if anyone is still monitoring this discussion, but for the record, I have nominated the page List of Ranger's Apprentice characters for deletion. See Articles for deletion/List of Ranger's Apprentice characters for my rationale and discussion. Mz7 (talk) 14:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

So, regarding the rebuilding of this concept, do we create a similar page with more structure or should we fix the problem with individual character pages? 10:40, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

A small revision
I was reading through and on Halt's description, I would suggest changing "is a coffee drinker" to "has an addiction to coffee" in order, not only be correct with the book, but to emphasize how much he relies on the drink. Also, I believe that the Independent locations section should include Grimsdell Wood and maybe Healer's Clearing, from the 5th and 6th books.

--Pvt. Michael J. Caboose 02:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caboose282 (talk • contribs)

Rewrite of plot
I think that instead of telling the story by books, the plot could be split into three sections, Will as an apprentice (books1-3, 7), Will first mission (books 5-6) and the Hiberian plot (books 8-10). Suggestions? Derild 4921  22:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that sounds terrific. There are book specific plot summaries on each of the respective articles, so condensing it here makes sense. I can help with the first two sections, but haven't read anything after that, so don't want it spoiled. Good thinking! PrincessofLlyr  royal court 02:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't read the last section either, it only came out Australia. I'm writing the summary in my Sandbox. I'll post up the sections as I finish them.  —Preceding undated comment added 19:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC).  forgot to sign  Derild  4921  19:08, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I posted up the first section, I'm going to start the second one now. Feel free to edit any problems in the new section now. Derild  4921   —Preceding undated comment added 01:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC).
 * Second section is up, I'll try to put in the third section, but I never written the books, any who has please do that please. Derild  4921  21:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Citing an email?
I emailed John Flanagan about the seies and he responded by telling me he is putting out a total of 12 books in this series and working on a new series taking place in Skandia...which I have already included in the article, but I don't know if or how I can cite that...--Stevedietrich (talk) 01:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not too sure on that, but if he is giving that information out freely it should be somewhere else anyways... Derild  49  21  ☼  02:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * True, I'll check it out. Thanks. --Stevedietrich (talk) 00:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * how do I email find his email. I AM Rad 1.152.105.251 (talk) 01:56, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Pictures
Could the North American covers be added to the individual articles, along with the Australian ones? -- Billybob2002 (talk) 22:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Also, a logo would be a good improvement. -- Billybob2002 (talk) 23:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I added a logo. -- Billybob2002 (talk) 07:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Should we make the book "Main characters" sections link to the Main characters section of this page?
I've noticed that in the individual book pages, the "Main characters" sections are often repetitive and really need some work, like the one in The Burning Bridge. Could we add a main article template that links to this page's characters section instead of having to repeat (mostly) the same information all over again? Ben79487 (talk) 23:50, 25 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hmm, well firstly the character sections for the individual books are terribly written and if we kept them they need to be overhauled pretty much from scratch. That being said I don't see why we'd really need 'Character' sections at individual book pages. We can just merge the characters sections with the plot summary, giving each character a brief introduction when they're mentioned in the plot. What do you think? :) Damien Linnane (talk) 01:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Sure. I'll get work on it right away, but I only have about 15-ish minutes. You can help too! First stop: The Ruins of Gorlan. Ben79487 (talk) 03:15, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Well that's looking much better overall now. :) Damien Linnane (talk) 03:49, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Yep! It's much cleaner. Ben79487 (talk) 18:38, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

update
someone needs to update this, there's more books now.Geekpotato24 (talk) 01:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

The Lost Stories plot summary
The Lost Stories plot summary is currently

"The Lost Stories consists of ten different short stories, set at various times before, during, and after the events of the previous ten books."

Shouldn't each short story have a summary? What it is currently, in my opinion, is more of a brief explanation of the book rather than the plot itself. --Roundish (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I think due weight it an important issue here. Fleshing out the plot summary for the book overall is fine, but I don't think the section should eventually be bigger than the plots given for other books, just because there are ten short stories, rather than one long one. Very brief summaries of where and when the stories were set, without going into more detail, might be a good place to start. Damien Linnane (talk) 23:47, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * FYI- I cut the summary down a few days ago; before that it was:
 * "The Lost Stories consists of ten different short stories. The foreword is set in future of July 1896 in Redman County, of the Republic of Aralan States where Professor Giles MacFarlane has set up a digging expedition to uncover any important pieces of history. A granite plaque, carved with the likeness of a tusked boar, signifying that the area was once Castle Redmont, was unearthed, but nothing as important has been discovered since. Until now... when a young volunteer discovers the remains of a Ranger cabin. A secret compartment in the floor contains an ancient wood and brass chest, with the Lost Stories of Araluen, which speak of the stories of the Rangers and their friends after the return from Nihon-Ja. Included is a blurb from The Outcasts."
 * This summary, which is almost entirely about the very short foreword and not the actual stories, felt rather undue to me, so I cut it down, but I can see how it feels too short now. What do you think of this?
 * "The Lost Stories consists of nine different short stories, set at various times before, during, and after the events of the previous ten books. Stories include the tale of Will's father, what happened to Gilan during the events of The Icebound Land, the story of Halt's apprenticeship in Hibernia, and several stories following the main characters after the conclusion of The Emperor of Nihon-Ja, including one where Will and Alyss get married."
 * (Upon checking to remind myself what the stories were about, I discovered that there are actually only nine, plus a foreword, an afterword, and the Outcasts fragment.) Aerin17 (t • c) 00:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That new summary looks really good to me. Well done. Agree with your decision to cut the original one back too. Damien Linnane (talk) 01:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, added! Aerin17 (t • c) 18:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

The Rangers apprentice
with what ye said about Rangers horses only serving a Ranger for sixteen years what about Abelard Halt being my favourite character I just would like to know what happened to the first Abelard 1.152.105.251 (talk) 01:50, 31 May 2023 (UTC)