Talk:Raymond Fernandez and Martha Beck

Retitle
Martha Beck was a huge part of Fernandez's life and the two were a famous crime couple. This article needs to be retitled to include Martha Beck in the title. This is like having an article of Loeb (not Leopold and Loeb or Clyde and not Bonnie and Clyde.)

This article should be retitled to reflect that. 4.142.45.215 (talk) 04:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)eric

Good Sources
The Criterion Collection DVD of The Honeymoon Killers has some really fantastic extras about the real couple. There are also sections of a book (whose name I forget) quoted extensively about the couple and their trial. There were all kinds of notiable details that would help this article, such as apparently Fernandez practiced voodoo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.74.156.164 (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Minor clean-up in progress
Greetings, I am working on clearing up a few gray areas, fixing links, providing more references and (I hope) making this page more readable. There is still some work left. Cheers, Numero4 (talk) 07:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Gaps!
I would like to draw the attention for two notes: Many thx for all the efforts put to this article. --Ghaithayoub (talk) 14:28, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) There is a 2 year time gap starts when the two couple meet up and ending in the 3 crimes that indiced them.
 * 2) The couple place of Death is unclear as it states that they confessed in the condition that they will be tried in Michigan where no Death Penalty exists.

Plagiarism
Almost this entire article is taken, cut and paste, from History and Women - Lonely Hearts Killers 69.125.134.86 (talk) 00:34, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is what the WP article looked like on 28 November 2009. The article you linked to is dated 2010 and appears to have been copied from here first. Don't make baseless accusations. Brad (talk) 14:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

What was his ‘criminal enterprise’?
Under ‘Murders’, it says that Beck was happy to help with his criminal enterprises, but it doesn’t actually say what these were. How did they lure the women in? No info about the actual logistics. ElleBlair (talk) 09:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * All we seem to have currently is "Fernandez stole some clothing and was subsequently imprisoned for a year..." I'd hardly call that "criminal enterprises". Sounds more like petty shoplifting. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:01, 27 September 2021 (UTC)