Talk:Removal of Sam Altman from OpenAI

Name
I worry that the name of the article is not specific enough. Should it be akin to "Removal of Sam Altman from OpenAI"? I also wonder if this really needs an article when it could just be in the OpenAI article? — Panamitsu (talk) 06:59, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Apieroni (talk) 15:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Given how chaotic the affair has been, I've appreciated there being a Wikipedia page that goes into a level of depth that would be inappropriate for a bio — the OpenAI section on his page is currently four short paragraphs. Ike Saunders (talk) 00:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Now that it's all over, I propose a rename to "Removal and reinstatement of Sam Altman at OpenAI". ciphergoth (talk) 18:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Not significant enough for stand-alone article
This event doesn't seem to deserve it's own stand-alone article. All relevant facts can be reported on existing pages for Sam Altman or OpenAI. Coffmanesq (talk) 18:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I understand your viewpoint regarding the potential redundancy of the "Removal of Sam Altman" article. However, I believe that this event holds significant importance and merits its own stand-alone article for several reasons:
 * The removal of Sam Altman from OpenAI is a notable event in the technology and AI industry. Altman is a prominent figure, and his departure from a leading AI organization like OpenAI has wide-ranging implications. This level of impact and the attention it has garnered in the tech community and mainstream media underscore its importance.
 * The circumstances surrounding Altman's removal involve complex corporate dynamics, ethical considerations in AI, and strategic shifts in a major tech entity. This complexity extends beyond the scope of a brief mention in Altman's or OpenAI's main articles and warrants a detailed, standalone discussion.
 * The event marks a significant moment in the history of AI development and corporate governance in tech companies. It sets a precedent and could influence future discussions and decisions in the industry. Documenting it in a separate article ensures that this historical context is preserved and made accessible for future reference.
 * A standalone article allows for a more comprehensive and nuanced exploration of the event, including the lead-up, the event itself, and its aftermath. It provides room to include various viewpoints, analyses, and potential implications that might be lost or underrepresented in a broader article about Sam Altman or OpenAI.
 * For researchers, students, and individuals interested in the evolution of AI and corporate governance in tech, having a dedicated article on this topic is incredibly valuable. It serves as a focused resource for understanding the complexities of such high-profile leadership changes in the tech world.
 * Therealslimfan (talk) 18:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Is that a LLM response? TPFNoob (talk) 23:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you can't fight them, join them. AlexIlte (talk) 14:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear Therealslimfan,
 * Your detailed argument for a standalone article on the "Removal of Sam Altman from OpenAI" is quite a read – thorough, well-structured, and remarkably in-depth. It's fascinating how some contributions to Wikipedia echo the depth and analytical prowess one might attribute to, say, an advanced language model. Your points about the event's significance and the complexity of its implications are noted with great interest.
 * However, this richness in detail and scope leads one to ponder: if such a nuanced discussion can be so eloquently captured in a single talk page contribution, perhaps the essence of this topic is already sufficiently covered within the confines of existing pages on Sam Altman and OpenAI. After all, Wikipedia thrives on concise integration of information, ensuring each subject is contextualized within the larger narrative.
 * In essence, while your perspective is insightful, it inadvertently illustrates how effectively a complex topic can be encapsulated in a condensed format – perhaps suggesting that a standalone article might be an embellishment we can navigate around, in favor of a more integrated approach in existing articles.
 * Best regards, [Your Wikipedia Username] (talk) [Timestamp] AlexIlte (talk) 14:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This made me laugh Mr vili (talk) 22:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Rewrite
I noticed you started rewriting the page. I'm not going to revert your edits, but I believe that your rewrite conflicts with the manual of style. Per WP:WBA, Wikipedia maintains a neutral tone devoid of colloquialisms—e.g., "history of the world"—and it is preferable to write paragraphs longer than one or two sentences. This is a style that juxtaposes with journalistic writing. As the writer of many of the rewritten sections, I cannot neutrally speak on whether or not they were in line with the manual of style, but I can attest to my attempt to match that and to write as impersonally as possible. Again, not willing to start an argument or an edit war, just providing a secondary perspective. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:37, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 25 December 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 15:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Removal of Sam Altman from OpenAI → Removal and reinstatement of Sam Altman at OpenAI – This is an article with a descriptive title, whose scope has been extended to cover the full arc of events after his removal and including his reinstatment; the title now reads oddly given this arc. ciphergoth (talk) 14:54, 25 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 17:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose. It would be too long and redundant for an article title imo. Cfls (talk) 01:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article reorganization
I think the article would be greatly improved by reorganizing it with the following structure:
 * 1) Background
 * 2) Removal
 * 3) Theories for removal
 * 4) Reinstatement
 * 5) Reactions

In other words, I'm suggesting that the "Events leading up to the removal" be renamed, as "Theories for removal" better describes the content of this section. Mokadoshi (talk) 21:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)