Talk:Rice/Archive 2

Rice Exports 2008
Some of the figures in the article must be wrong. The difference between rice production and consumption in china is about twice that the production in thailand.

I realize the figures stated are for different years but there shouldn't be such a great difference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.116.36.162 (talk) 09:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Is that distribution map right, because rice is also grown in Greece, Louisiana, and California. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.133.252.10 (talk) 12:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Rice shortage 2008
I was hoping to see an authoritative section covering the underlying causes of the 2008 shortage as well as its impacts. This is a pretty serious issue but does not seem to be mentioned. . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Papermaker (talk • contribs) 08:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You can just add the information to the article yourself as long as you have a reliable source. But please remember that helpme is not meant for use on article talk pages. Alexfusco5  11:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Isn't it too soon to add a note about the 2008 shortage issue? The sentence is correct: "In early 2008, some governments and retailers began rationing supplies of the grain due to fears of a global rice shortage.[5][6]", but doesn't it narrow the encyclopedic focus of the article unnecessarily at this point in time? If, for example, subsequent developments in the situation suggest that the 2008 shortage is historically significant, then it might be appropriate to add a note about it and perhaps expand as Papermaker suggested above. Yet, we are in the midst of the circumstance right now and that makes it difficult to gain a broad perspective. Just a thought... Glane23 (talk) 20:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Article lacks clear nutrition information
Needs nutrition details about each type of rice at each stage of processing. Come on, this is a basic food! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 05:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I concur with the above statement! Rice is known to have an incomplete protein profile so I came here to see which proteins are missing from it. Lo and behold, no info! Could someone please add which protein is missing from rice?24.83.148.131 (talk) 23:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)BeeCier

Does rice contain simple and/or complex carbohydrates? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.37.64.48 (talk) 02:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Parboiled rice
As well as the 'Parboiled rice' page, there is a small 'Parboiled rice' heading under the page 'Parboiled'. The info from this heading needs to be brought into the 'Rice' page, along with the info from the 'Parboiled rice' page.

I see no virtue in having 'Parboiled rice' as a separate page, the info from it should be incorporated into the 'Rice' page, as proposed. And - most important - the information from the 'White rice' page should be incorporated too.

The issues connected with white rice, brown rice and parboiled rice are quite controversial. Basically, white rice is created for the convenience of the food processing industry, because it is more easily stored, and therefore more profitable, despite being associated with serious deficiency diseases such as beri-beri for those who eat it!

If 'parboiling' brown rice before milling it into white rice helps to reduce the nutritional loss, thereby allowing the extra profit for processors without such serious harm for the consumers, maybe that's a good thing, although claims about the value of parboiling should be viewed with caution. PandaName (talk) 14:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I do not agree: I just looked up parboiled rice in wikipedia to understand what this specifically, is. Being forwarded to a general, and very long, rice page would have been off-putting. --Thomas Tvileren (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

This is a complicated discrepancy, and we may want to seek out the opinion of an expert on the matter. Personally, based on my own research, I feel that parboiled rice may indeed deserve its own entry, due to the wealth of information that makes it a unique grain. SuperPooperScooper (talk) 20:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Parboiled rice is the rice of choice in South Asia. Parboiled rice comes in various forms, and probably the way to go is a bigger article on parboiled rice, not a merge into rice. ray (talk) 23:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Talc Used in Polished Rice
refer to the wiki article on talc and ovarian cancer.

71.127.23.22 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The Caribbean
Rice is considered a staple food in the Caribbean, and I am surprised the article does not cover the region. This should be amended. 141.117.148.29 (talk) 19:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

"Basmati rice is the oldest, common progenitor for most types."
In case anyone's wondering the reason I removed the above sentence, which is not correct, here is my argument.

The article on the study of the genes of traditional basmati (TB), evolved Basmati (EB), and semidwarf non-Basmati (NB) rice, titled "Genetic analysis of traditional and evolved Basmati and non-Basmati rice varieties by using fluorescence-based ISSR-PCR and SSR markers", can be found here: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=122863.

This article does not conclude that basmati rice is the originator (progenitor) of all or most types of modern rice. What it does conclude is that a) TB varieties are the least diverse compared to EB and NB varities, b) all TB varieties are probably descended from a single land race, and c) "the high level of genetic differentiation of [TB] and NB rice varieties suggests that [TB] might have possibly diverged a long time ago from the NB varieties through conscious selection and patronage."

Since the article only stated that basmati rice diverged from other rice varieties, it cannot be assumed that other varieties of rice diverged from basmati rice, making it the oldest variety.

Also note that basmati rice is one type of aromatic rice, aromatic rice is one type of japonica rice, and japnoica rice is one of the two major subspecies of Asian rice. Therefore it is impossible for basmati rice to be the "progenitor for most types", especially if it is not a member of the other subspecies of Asian rice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.151.166.106 (talk) 08:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Useful images found in CCL article
I just found an article which possesses some great rice flag leaf cell images, published in the Journal of Experimental Botany, and all open for use! "This is an Open Access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/uk/) which permits unrestricted non-commercial use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. This paper is available online free of all access charges (see http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/open_access.html for further details)" The article can be found here:, the images would then need to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, of course. TeamZissou (talk) 21:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

dates
In the "Korean peninsula and Japan" section it says "In 2003, Korean archaeologists discovered burnt grains (domesticated rice) in Soro-ri, Korea, dated to 13,000,000 BCE. Mainstream archaeological evidence derived from palaeoethnobotanical investigations indicate that dry-land rice was introduced to Korea and Japan some time between 3,000,500 and 1,200,000 BC."

Fairly certain that rice wasn't cultivated in Korea 13 million years ago :P The BBC article referenced for the 13 million B.C.E. date says "15,000" years ago, ie. 13,000 B.C.E. I would have just changed it but there's no reference for the "3,000,500 and 1,200,000 BC" bit, and I am hesitant to just shave off 3 numbers. Someone who knows the actual dates should fix them. 71.178.239.150 (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I would add to this by making a heartfelt plea for consistency in dating conventions in this article- apart from any issues of accuracy. The use of BC, BCE, BP, all in one article, is both confusing and irritating. I don't really care which convention is adopted, but consistency, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.149.144 (talk) 08:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Dodgy figures for rice production
I've removed this table from the article because some of the figures appear to be wrong and do not agree the source. In particular, the figures for Egypt and Tunisia are much too high. The table needs revision and checking before putting back into the article.

Enchanter (talk) 06:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Merge in the scientific information
Should follow same pattern as Wheat and combine in the biological information from Oryza or Oryza sativa. --MarsRover (talk) 23:26, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would do the opposite, because there are two species involved, with somewhat separate histories. In fact, I made a first pass at separating out parts of the section "History of domestication & cultivation" that pertain to each of the two species of rice.  To do that properly though will require reading the references.  Eg, early rice cultivation in the US apparently was of African rice.  --Una Smith (talk) 06:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Technically, rice is two species, but in common usage, it only refers to Asian rice, Oryza sativa. African rice, Oryza glaberrima is relatively unimportant, and I think a section on it with a link to its main article should be sufficient. Please note that there is a longer discussion of this topic on the talk page for O. sativa:. Thomas Kluyver (talk) 12:20, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Pidgin English
I don't want to presume to rewrite this on the actual page, but at least I would like to point out that while the rest of this long article is extremely well written (obviously by a British writer, using spellings like "labour" and words like "whilst"), this ONE paragraph is suddenly written in garbled Pidgin English, apparently by a Japanese writer based on the typical types of errors, which he or she must have decided to simply insert in the article. The information is presumably correct, but the English is frankly laughable.

In the Korean and Japanese language, the Chinese character for the rice' (米, kome?) is composed by two eights (八, hachi?) and ten (十, jyū?) which is 88, eighty-eight (八十八, hachi-jyū-hachi?). In proverbial saying in Japan, the farmer spends eighty-eight times and efforts on rice from planting to crop and this is also teaching the sense of mottainai and gratitude for farmer and rice itself.[

What I THINK it means is:

In the Korean and Japanese languages, the Chinese character for "rice" is composed of two eights and a ten, indicating eighty-eight. According to a Japanese proverbial saying, the farmer spends eighty-eight times the effort on rice from planting to harvest. This teaches a sense of gratitude for the farmer, and for rice itself.

My version leaves out the symbols only because I cannot reproduce them on my keyboard.

If my interpretation can be verified, someone is welcome to replace the original with my version, or something close to it.

Billcito (talk) 11:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of article content
A good deal of information on rice was removed from the rice article and added to the fork article Oryza sativa. Perhaps this should be discussed first since there is also a current proposal to merge the two articles.


 * Oops. I thought the merge was being discussed on this page, above where I explained why I moved the text.  I will join the merge discussion.  Thanks.  --Una Smith (talk) 02:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism detected
While I usually don't edit articles at wikipedia I noticed someone [| vandalized] the article so I reverted the change. Please check the edit as I'm not used to handle wiki articles.

Thanks Federico Castro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.140.129.72 (talk) 18:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

News article: Fighting hunger with flood-tolerant rice

 * News article: Fighting hunger with flood-tolerant rice Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 14:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

treatment of post-harvest issues
The article could do with a discussion of what happens between harvest and retail sale, i.e. drying, threshing, milling.Shep (talk) 20:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Nonsensical per capita consumption numbers.
The following two claims are not consistent:

Between 1961 and 2002, per capita consumption of rice increased by 40%. By 2007 annual world wide per capita rice consumption stood at 127 kg[34].

Rice consumption is highest in Asia, where average per capita consumption is higher than 80 kg/person per year. In the subtropics such as South America, Africa, and the Middle East, per capita consumption averages between 30 and 60 kg/person per year. People in the developed West, including Europe and the United States, consume less than 10 kg/person per year.[35][36]

If the highest annual consumption is 80 kg/person, than the average cannot be 127 kg/person. This needs to be researched and resolved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.179.135 (talk) 00:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Insect in "insect pest" photo is not a pest of rice.
The insect in the photo captioned "Pest on a rice plant in Assam, India" is not an insect pest of rice. It is a type of Tiger beetle (Family Carabidae, Subfamily Cicindelinae). This type of Tiger beetle is a predator of other insects and does not feed on rice plants. It may, in fact, be beneficial to rice by feeding on actual pests of rice. The original author(s) of this section should consider obtaining a photo of one of the insect pests named in the article. Nieuport93 (talk) 22:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

"Thrips" not "Thrip"
Thrips is both singular and plural. Hence, the proper word to use is Thrips (and NOT Thrip). This is fundamental to entomology and can be confirmed by referring to any major college introductory entomology textbook. Nieuport93 (talk) 22:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Or even by looking up thrips in some form of online encyclopaedia! I've made the change. Thomas Kluyver (talk) 12:26, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Panicle rice mite
Panicle rice mite should go somewhere, but I am not sure where.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Added under pests. Thomas Kluyver (talk) 12:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Which one is correct???
But both can not be at the same time.

By 2007 annual world wide per capita rice consumption stood at 127 kg[35].

Rice consumption is highest in Asia, where average per capita consumption is higher than 80 kg/person per year. In the subtropics such as South America, Africa, and the Middle East, per capita consumption averages between 30 and 60 kg/person per year. People in the developed West, including Europe and the United States, consume less than 10 kg/person per year.[36][37] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.106.125 (talk) 19:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Rice inoculated with Swiss Cheese mold?
Boiled rice that is allowed to cool down a bit, can be inoculated with Swiss Cheese mold.

The main article could be improved if there were a paragraph or two on rice that is deliberately inoculated with cheese molds. 216.99.219.156 (talk) 02:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistent Data Information
The chart citing consumption of rice was wildly inaccurate in comparison with the actual citation. Change to reflect information on US Agriculture site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.108.141 (talk) 09:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Arrossos?
In the Cooking section, there is a red link to arrossos. When I Google that word, nothing comes up. Is it a bad misspelling, or a non-existent word, or ????? --Lou Sander (talk) 11:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Rice price increase...affected by australia?
"In March to May 2008, the price of rice rose greatly due to a general upward trend in grain prices caused by droughts in major producing countries (particularly Australia)" Is it just me or does that line sound weird since australia is not one of the major rice producing countries... -- Ashish-g55
 * You would be correct there. According to the 2010 Australian Government Crop report:


 * The area planted to rice in 2009-10 is forecast to be around 19 000 hectares, which is
 * a substantial increase from the 8000 hectares planted in 2008-09, but still well below
 * the historical average area planted. The rise in area is a result of increased availability of
 * irrigation water for rice growing. With above average yields forecast, rice production in
 * 2009-10 is expected to reach 175 000 tonnes, more than double last season’s production.
 * If average temperatures in February are mild, it is possible for yield potential to increase
 * further.

/l+ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.111.70 (talk) 22:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * So compared to the USA 9 or 10 million that 175,000 tonnes is piddling.--MichaelGG (talk) 03:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * There were several reasons for the price increases, mainly related to misguided policy decisions by India and Vietnam that introduced export bans, by the Thai policy of subsidising domestic farmers and by the excessive imports with large tenders by the Philippines. Supply and demand did not really come into it as the "fundamentals" of the rice market did not indicate price rises. The whole subject almost merits a separate article, but I wonder whether this article really needs to go into such detail. Agricmarketing (talk) 05:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

locations for agricultural products of nepal
please show me different locations for the organic production of paddy in nepaL

. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.209.32 (talk) 09:54, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

ITC external link on trade data
Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC). I would like to propose the addition of an external link that could lead directly to the specific product trade data held by ITC. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 1) ITC is part of the United Nations 2) No registration is required 3) Trade data (imports/exports) are regularly updated 4) The link gives direct access to the trade database referring to the specific product 5) The addition of a link to reliable data could provide an appropriate contribution to the piece of the article related to production and commerce of rise. Thank you for your attention.Divoc (talk) 18:03, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Rice production stats don't add up
In the History of domestication section it is claimed that Asian farmers produce 92% of the world's rice, and in the USA section it states that US farmers produce 12% of the world's rice. The two numbers don't compute, not to mention that the production of Australia, other Americas, and Africa are not included. 66.183.222.222 (talk) 21:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The US statistic refers to the world trade, and the Asian statistic to the world production. Cold Season (talk) 16:57, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Rice better than bread?
Rice makes you stronger, healthier than bread: study. I don't know, unless somebody can find the research paper online. This article doesn't explain any mechanism of lowering cholesterol or increasing the excretion of bile acid. Komitsuki (talk) 12:26, 20 November 2011 (UTC)