Talk:Riga-class frigate

Issue: User talk:88.113.96.83 : Finnish navy has NO Riga Class frigates, nor has it ever had, therefore removing that particular piece of misinformation should hardly be considered vandalizing. If you do not believe me, why do you not check wikipedia :lol. Or if you speak finnish you can check directly from www.mil.fi. Finnish navy has never had even ships with those hull measurements in its arsenal. I define idiocy as quality not revealed by being mistaken but by refusing to be corrected.

How do you go about sending messages to the administrators (MoRsE) or complaints about them anyways? This tech is beyond me.

Janne Harju

After re-examining the issue, I have found claims that Finnish Uusimaa/Hämeenmaa class mineships were originally Riga class this claim is present in finnish wikipedia. The class however is 14 meter shorter and 1,6 meters wider then Riga class. I suspect mistake eiteher in Wikipedia or finnish navy pages, presumably the first. In any case Riga class is no more in active service in finland then in russia according to finnish navy http://www.mil.fi/merivoimat/joukot/smmepa/mv_saattajat.html the ships have been in use previously but have been decomissioned. So I was wrong there, my apologies. Janne Harju


 * Finland has had two Riga class frigates Uusimaa (built 1957, in Finnish use 1964-1979) and Hämeenmaa (built 1952, in Finnish use 1964-1987 image image 2). Together they formed the Saattajalaivue (lead by komentaja Pekka Peltonen). I am sorry about the warning sign on your talk page, but I have had to clean up a lot of vandalism here and I have grown quite tired of it. I spent over a week in the Finnish Military Academy Library doing research only on the Finnish navy to be able to write about Finnish Navy history for the Wikipedia and I know that my facts are correct. Also, I am not an administrator. --MoRsE 18:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The only (early) modifications made to the ships were British anti-submarine weaponry, so the measures should be the same as in other Riga class ships. Later on Hämeenmaa was refitted into a minelayer. --MoRsE 18:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I am sorry about getting overtly upset about the vandalism warning. It seems that I was somewhat mistaken and I am sorry about that. Vandalism however was not my intention. I am still trying to figure out how this infernal machine/program/site actually works and how you go about making edits. I suppose I should have just added "decomissioned as frigates" after Finland or not done anything at all or splashed there the "may contain errors"-tag (what ever way that can be done.) Still, if you compare measurements finnish navy gives for Hämeenmaa mineship to those of Riga class frigate, there is something spooky there. Ships do not usually lose 1/6 of their length in refits. I suspect that IF the information of mineship Hämeenmaa being refitted escort Hämeenmaa is correct (these are recurring names I belive), then the hull measurements of the Riga class could be wrong here. (I did check those before trying to edit anything, the history bit I found later.) Janne Harju
 * I will remove that warning as it turned out to be unnecessary. I will see if I can find some better source for the measurements of the ship class....I know that Conways's is not the best source, as it contains a lot of errors.--MoRsE 18:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have been trying to look for the information on the Finnish wikipedia page, but I can't find anything tat points specifically to this ship. For history, there has been four different classes called the Hämeenmaa class, the oldest is from the 1760s, and was a Swedish class of frigates (Hemmema sv:Hemmema-klassen), the second one was the gunboats that served in WW2 (sv:Hämeenmaa (kanonbåt, 1917)), the third one is the 1950s frigates that we're talking about here (sv:Hämeenmaa (fregatt, 1952)) and the fourth one the minelayers that are being modernized as we speak (sv:Hämeenmaa (minfartyg, 1992)) - could it be that the measurements are from the newst class...they are 77 meters long? --MoRsE 18:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I just checked from both Federation of American Scientists and Global security.org. Both list Riga at 91 meters. They have seemed rather trustworthy for my uses. Could the mineship Hämeenmaa be completely new 77m ship using components from the Riga class? That would I believe warrant note of "obsolete" on the finnish export Riga class. Thanks for removing the warning. My employee might not like the librarians computers IP having such warnings ;). Well got to run, last bus is going. the finnish wikipedia page was http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fregatti_H%C3%A4meenmaa (unfortunately it jumps up the first if you google "riga luokan fregatti") Janne Harju
 * The Hämeenmaas of today are not related to the Riga class in any way - they are completely new ships, and as far as I know, no parts were transferred to them from the older class, they were built at Aker Finnyards in the beginning of the 1990s and are at this very momen being modernized (the first ship is ready now) link --MoRsE 18:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What I can see from the before and after pictures is, that they have been colored for blue-water operations (probably for the upcoming naval rapid-reaction forces), the aft twin-23 mm gun is removed (most likely replaced with the surplus Umkhonto missiles from the discontinued Tuuli-class, and that the masts are changed - they are now a more stealthy construction and also they incorporate new sensors. --MoRsE 19:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

A new image?
Would anyone be opposed to changing the current image to this? I have already received the okay to use images from this site, and I think the image in question is of higher quality. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 08:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There hasn't been an edit on this talk for two years. I'll just be bold and add the new image myself. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 00:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead - it is a great image! --MoRsE (talk) 00:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)