Talk:Rim Fire

Previously untitled thread-Start and title
I started this stub since the event seems to meet notabillty criteria for events per WP:GEOSCOPE and coverage. --DarTar (talk) 23:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Good start, but I moved the page to Rim Fire based on the fire's official name and the fact that the fire neither started in Yosemite nor is it primarily burning in Yosemite. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 01:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Make sense, thanks. DarTar (talk) 02:56, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think the date is needed.--Mark Miller (talk) 13:18, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Whether or not the year is included (which is pretty common for articles on natural disasters), we need a distinctive title to avoid disambiguation issues.--DarTar (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There seems to be no issue with disambiguation. Simple have the redirect deleted (as you can move this page until that page is gone) which will need an admin to accomplish and move this into the simple common name title of Rim Fire. Right now the date causes issues for search terms. Per the article Angora Fire I propose this article follow a similar naming convention without dating.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to taking out the date. I just didn't want to wait for the hassle and runaround of finding an admin to nuke the redirect. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:44, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I just asked the editor that created the redirect if he would request deletion as author so the article could be moved. Lets see if that will be enough.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ --DarTar (talk) 15:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * --Mark Miller (talk) 17:23, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Rim Fire name
Does anyone know what the name of "Rim" refers to? Tandrum (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * See this revision.--DarTar (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Potential threat
Believe it or not, this fire could take out Yellowstone National Park! That's how big it is! --Josh M (talk) 21:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Forgot to use sig... Sorry! --Josh M (talk) 21:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. I assume you meant Yosemite? The fire is big, and it is burning in remote portions of Yosemite National Park, but it is not any threat to Yosemite Valley, the main tourist area, which remains open. --MelanieN (talk) 22:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * No, my mom told me that it could destroy Yellowstone it's so big! I know Yosemite is already being burned! --Josh M (talk) 22:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Tell your mom that Yellowstone is 1,000 miles away. The fire is big, but it's not that big! ;-D Maybe she was talking about three smaller fires that are burning near Yellowstone? link --MelanieN (talk) 00:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

NASA Earth Observatory article
Here's a good resource for the article. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=81971  Sagredo &#8857;&#9791;&#9792;&#9793;&#9794;&#9795;&#9796; 01:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

"Unhealthy" vs. "unhealthful"
Twice now, people have changed "unhealthful" to "unhealthy" in the sentence "Smoke from the fire caused unhealthful air conditions in Reno, Nevada and the Lake Tahoe area". They have tagged "unhealthful" as a "spelling error". Actually the words do have different meanings. "Unhealthful" means "not conducive to good health; unwholesome." "Unhealthy" mostly means being in poor health, although a secondary meaning is the same as "unhealthful" above. Although "unhealthy" can be used in this sense of meaning "bad for you", I think we should use the more precise and correct word. --MelanieN (talk) 14:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Rim Fire finally contained; no longer a threat.
I checked the InciWeb update regarding the Rim Fire and found that the fire has reached 100% containment on Thursday, 24 October 2013 at 4 PM PDT.

I had updated the Wikipedia article on the Rim Fire and making a final revision to the article, including how many acres the fire burned and the cost to fight the fire. If anyone has any additional information regarding the Rim Fire containment, you're welcome to revise it more. 184.9.154.19 (talk) 20:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Man, this containment was a long time coming! --MelanieN (talk) 22:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It sure was! And now the United States. Forest Service is conducting investigation of whoever started a illegal campfire that sparked the Rim Fire. And whoever did it will find themselves in serious trouble!
 * On a side note, thank you for correcting some of the errors in the Wikipedia article. 74.42.181.214 (talk) 21:45, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Is the date of the fire being fully extinguished (6 September) if the fully contained date is in October? Looking at the Forest service website, the 6 Sept date is simply the last date of entry on their website. CollinsEddy (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I saw an NPS message not too long ago talking saying there still are some hot spots due to the dry winter. Eeekster (talk) 21:14, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Aftermath
Added a section on the Rim Fire aftermath, since there are ongoing news and controversies about the burn area and its management. I've added a section on the controversy over the closure of the area, in particular the closure to morel mushroom hunters. I plan on expanding the section on the salvage logging controversy, since the discussion in the article so far represents minimal (and, I'd add, quite unbalanced) coverage of what was in fact, a much larger issue. So far, the article does not even mention Representative Tom McClintock's bill to open up the area to extensive salvage logging. Some sources I plan on using, so I can find them again:, , , , ,.

Also, I've left the article with bare URL's so far, but will complete the references soon. Peter G Werner (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Contained and extinguished
The CalFire link didn't say a date that the fire was extinguished, and the InciWeb link says it was contained in October. The fire can't be extinguished before it's contained - by definition, you have to contain it (complete a line around the entire fire) before you put it out. So I'm not sure where the dates are coming from, but unless we have some reliable sources that say otherwise, I'm going with the October containment date. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Per Inciweb, the Rim Fire was not fully contained until October 24, 2013. This is confirmed by external reliable sources — I don't know why the CAL FIRE information is wrong, but it's wrong. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 01:23, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

hunter charged and identified
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hunter-charged-massive-rim-fire-20140808-story.html

Keith Matthew Emerald of the Sierra foothills town of Columbia, Calif., was charged with two felonies: setting timber afire and lying to a government agency, the U.S. Attorney's Office announced Thursday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.51.144.118 (talk) 00:49, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link! I have added the information to the article. --MelanieN (talk) 00:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge from Rim Fire Recovery Project
A new article has been created called Rim Fire Recovery Project. I don't believe it is separately notable but should be a part of this article Rim Fire. The significant information and references have already been merged into this article. After any additional merging is done, I propose that the Recovery Project article become a redirect to this article. --MelanieN (talk) 22:03, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Totally agree. It doesn't really stand on its own anyway, but it could be a useful part of the other article. ubiquity (talk) 16:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Merge - The recovery project is not that unique, despite the historic size of this fire. Also, most large fires have their own recovery projects. The information from that article could probably be merged into the Rim Fire article without reducing the coverage on the subject, so there's no real need for a separate "Rim Fire Recovery Project" article. LightandDark2000 (talk) 01:44, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I carried out the merge today. --MelanieN (talk) 05:39, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Biological Consequences
I started adding information about biological consequences of the Rim Fire from ongoing scientific monitoring.DerekELee (talk) 12:58, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

General article work
Hello! It's been quite some time since this article's GA review and I think it has aged a bit. I plan to work on it for a while and would welcome any help. Some things I want to do:


 * Update the article with undefined undefined templates for acreages, distances, and other units
 * Ensure all references have working URLs, and failing that, solid archives
 * Add more images
 * Flesh out the new 'Background' section with information on wildfire history in the area, the drought that was ongoing during the fire, etc.
 * Better organize the section on 'Effects'
 * Add a section dedicated to the investigation of the fire's cause and the prosecution/dismissal of charges against the hunter

That's enough to get started on, at least.

Penitentes (talk) 20:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)