Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Fidenza

Removed flag of Italian Republic (1946) from Infobox, per [WP:ICON]
I removed the Italian Republic flag (of 1946) icon from the Infobox, in accordance with several sections of WP:ICON; specifically (quoting),


 * Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a "country", "nationality" or equivalent field: they are unnecessarily distracting and give undue prominence to one field among many....
 * Flags make simple, blunt statements about nationality, while words can express the facts with more complexity. ....
 * Do not rewrite history. Flags should not be used to misrepresent the nationality of a historical figure [including some bishops], event, object, etc. Political boundaries change, often over the span of a biographical article subject's lifetime. Where ambiguity or confusion could result, it is better not to use a flag at all, and where one is genuinely needed, use the historically accurate flag.

--Vicedomino (talk) 05:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Provostry
The following sentence occurs: "It was governed ecclesiastically by a provost with full faculties, subject directly to the Holy See as an exempt diocese."

What are these "full faculties"? What is meant by "as an exempt diocese"? Are the full faculties those of a bishop? Was the provost then a bishop? If so, why not call him one? Is San Donnino an exempt diocese? Then what was founded in 1601, if a diocese already existed? Or does "as an exempt diocese" mean "as though it were an exempt diocese" The vagueness in phraseology makes the whole sentence confusing, and it is too close to being technical language for an encyclopedia. This sentence was cut-and-pasted from the Catholic Encyclopedia, it seems.

I notice that much of the section on 'History' was cut-and-pasted, without attribution (in fact the section has no references at all), from Gabriel Chow's web site, (along with much other material in the article). Even if it had been referenced, it would still be a copyright violation. The cut-and-pasted material does not include the sentence in question.

--Vicedomino (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Removed, as unreferenced, and contradicted by other sources. Also, bulleted phrase inconsistent with style of rest of article.


 * According to Pope Clement VIII, Borgo San Donnino was a Collegiate Church, headed by a Provost, not a 'Provostry'.--Vicedomino (talk) 19:53, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Date of Provostship
The article states "In 1114 the Provostry nullius of Borgo San Donnino was established, on territories split off from the Dioceses of Parma and Piacenza." This is a paraphrase of Gabriel Chow's self-published and unreferenced web page.

The diocesan web site, however, says: "I contrasti tra Borgo San Donnino con Parma, per la sua autonomia civile e religiosa, iniziarono fin dal Medioevo; ma solo nel 1413 la Chiesa di San Donnino venne riconosciuta indipendente da Parma. Nel 1473 papa Sisto IV la dichiarò "di nessuna diocesi e il suo prevosto indipendente dal vescovo e dalla diocesi di Parma"; la riconferma definitiva ci fu il 20 marzo 1553 con Papa Giulio III." ['The conflict between Borgo San Donnino and Parma, over its civil and religious autonomy, began already in the Middle Ages. In 1473 Pope Sixtus IV declared it "of no diocese, and its Provost independent of the bishop and of the diocese of Parma"; the definitive reconfirmation of this came on 20 March 1553 with Pope Julius III.']

This would seem to indicate that Chow, and the person who cut-and-pasted him, are wrong.

--Vicedomino (talk) 07:05, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Ad perpetuam rei memoriam:

DIGNITY / DIGNITARY:

DIGNITY, signifies honour and authority, &c., and may be divided into superior and inferior: as the titles of duke, earl, viscount, baron, &c. are the highest names of dignity; and those of baronet, knight, esquire, &c. are the lowest order. ...

DIGNITY ECCLESIASTICAL, ecclesiastical dignities, are those of archbishop, bishop, dean, archdeacon, and prebendary, and the possessor of these dignities are called dignitaries.

That means that the office is a dignity, and the named person is a dignitary.

Vicedomino (talk) 20:46, 4 November 2020 (UTC)