Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Mende

Catholic Encyclopedia
Catholic Encyclopedia is out of copyright and Wikipedia has been using CEnc material for years - please fix your bot. HeartofaDog 17:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Catholic Encyclopedia is more than 110 years old and is obsolete in many respects. It also suffers from severe POV problems. Publication in the encyclopedia required conforming to the doctrinal positions of the RC Church, as enforced by the censor of books of the Archdiocese of New York. The ability to write objectively or critically was therefore reduced or curtailed. --Vicedomino (talk) 05:14, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Saints specially honored
The following sentence occurs in the article: "The following saints are specially venerated in the diocese: St. Ilpide, martyr (third century); the preacher St. Veran, Bishop of Cavaillon, a native of Gévaudan (sixth century); St. Lupentius, abbot of the basilica of St. Privatus, beheaded by order of Brunehaut whom he reproached for the irregularities of her life (sixth century); the nun St. Enimie, daughter of Clotaire II and sister of Dagobert (seventh century), foundress of a monastery of Benedictine nuns in the present St. Enimie."

(1) The statements are unreferenced. (2) The statements refer to characters whose histories are legendary, and in any case who existed before the diocese was founded. They are 'popular saints' and trivia. Nearly all founders of monasteries and convents and religious orders have been promoted into sainthood by their Communities. (3) The phrase 'specially venerated' is vague, and likely constitutes peacock language.

Unless some work is done on documenting their special veneration, I recommend the deletion of the sentence.

--Vicedomino (talk) 05:22, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Pilgrimages
The article makes the following statement (cut-and-paste from Catholic Encyclopedia), and it is unreferenced: "The principal pilgrimages of the diocese are: at Mende itself, Notre Dame de Mende where the statue of the Black Virgin was brought, perhaps in 1213, by the Crusaders of Gévaudan, and the hermitage of Saint Privatus; Notre Dame de la Carce, the origin of the city of Marvéjols; Notre Dame de Quézac, a pilgrimage dating from 1052 and where Urban V founded a chapter-house of eight canons, and Our Lady All-powerful, at Langogne."

The official web site of the Diocese of Mende makes the following statement about pilgrimages: Une mission bien définie

1. « La mise en route d’un groupe de pèlerins est un acte d’Église locale, qui en prend la responsabilité pastorale et spirituelle… En France, l’évêque responsable pastoral du diocèse, en est le responsable légal » Les pèlerinages entrent dans le champ d’activité de l’association diocésaine tel que défini aux articles 3 et 4 de ses statuts (cf le texte de la Charte des pèlerinages).

2. L’évêque délègue sa responsabilité vis-à-vis des pèlerinages à un directeur diocésain nommé par lui et chargé d’organiser des pèlerinages au nom du diocèse. Cette nomination fait l’objet d’un écrit et d’une publication à l’échelle du diocèse.

3. Le Code du tourisme fixe les conditions d’exercice des activités relatives l’organisation et à la vente de voyages et de séjours. L’activité du service diocésain des pèlerinages se développe et s’exerce dans le cadre des dispositions de ce texte, notamment de la loi N°2009-888 du 22 juillet 2009 dite de « Développement et de modernisation des services touristiques ». The two statements seem completely at odds with one another. The Catholic Encyclopedia seems to be talking about pilgrimages like parish annual homecomings and picnics. The diocese seems to be talking about tourism, with a religious focus, directed by the bishop or a representative. In 2017 the pilgrimages were to Lourdes (an annual event) and to the Holy Land. Do the Catholic Encyclopedia pilgrimages still exist, after two World Wars and Vatican II? Some work is needed on this, or else the unreferenced sentence should be deleted.

--Vicedomino (talk) 09:05, 14 August 2017 (UTC)