Talk:Ron Ramsey

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76.21.217.146 is vandalizing this page by deleting verifiable and significant information pertaining to Lt. Governor Ron Ramsey (of Sullivan County, Tennessee) and his political connections to the Monarch Pharmaceuticals (subsidary of King Pharmaceuticals, Inc also of Sullivan County, Tennessee), the Monarch branded pharmaceutical drug Altace, and Ramsey's August 1999 organizing of a lobbying airlift to Nashville aboard King Pharma corporate aircraft to meet with then TennCare Director Brian Lapps.

Tdl1060 (as above) repeatedly vandalizing above mentioned referenced material.


 * My edits are not vandalisim, your additions are off topic and do not belong in the bio of Ron Ramsey.--Tdl1060 19:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Please do not delete content from articles on Wikipedia. It may be considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. disruptive editing by Tdl1060 4.88.58.217 23:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Again my edits are not vandalisim, your additions are not within the scope of a biography that is supposed to be about Ron Ramsey not the history of these phamacutical companies.--Tdl1060 19:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Protected
Since the only editing at this page for a week or more has been a revert war betwen what looks to be two differing versions, I've disabled editing of the page in an attempt to encourage discussion among involved editors. Please familiarize yourself with the dispute resolution process, and work together to reach a consensus about the best course of action. Thank you. Luna Santin 00:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Info about contributors?

 * How legitimate is this info in this article (as opposed to a King Pharmaceuticals article accessible by a link)? Should Kenneth Lay be in the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush articles along with all of his legal difficulties seeing as how he was alternately a major contributor to both?  And shouldn't former TennCare chief Brian Lapps be a separate article, if his links to Ramsey or King are truly encyclopedic?  In short, the current, protected article reads a lot like a POV "hatchet job" IMO.  68.53.110.123 22:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Review the contribution history of editor removing verified NPOV material
A thorough review of | User contributions (excerpt):Tdl1060 reveals that the overwhelming majority of User:Tdl1060 Wiki contributions are characterized as pertaining to Republican politicians (even those not Tdl1060's fellow citizens of Illinois) and elections, suggesting to me that Tdl1060 is not always looking to make good faith and NPOV edits for the advancement of the Wikipedia, but rather, TDl1060 is targeting specific articles for broad-brush opportunities to enforce Ronald Reagan's so-called "Eleventh Commandment": ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.") over all Wikipedians. 4.88.61.188 18:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Altace, etc.
A link to Altace, King Pharma, etc. is certainly perteinent to this article IMO given the extent of King's contributions to Ramsey; however, the reiteration of the entire Altace story is not, as that is what links are for. Otherwise, for example, the article on Richard Nixon would completely duplicate the article Watergate Scandal. The fact that the linkage between Ramsey and King Pharma is verifiably correct does not justify the inclusion of this much detail. Spiro Agnew was Richard Nixon's vice president and the two are inexorably linked, but it would hardly be wise editorship or encyclopedic to put everyting about Nixon in the Agnew article, or vice versa. This certainly looks agenda-driven. Rlquall 03:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I strongly disagree --- the Richard Nixon page gave five pharagraphs alone to recap the Watergate Scandal.  However Rlquall, you must admit that there is not any similar Main Article Wiki page for the verified information detailing the 1999 King Pharmaceuticals legislative airlift of Tennessee Senator Ron Ramsey et al to  meet TennCare Director Brian Lapps that you deleted, which necessitates the need for inclusuon of such material at Ron Ramsey:

Political connection to Altace, pharmaceutical industry

During many of his political campaigns, Ramsey has accepted many generous campaign contributions from former King Pharmaceuticals, Inc. CEO and current Leitner Pharmaceuticals, LLC CEO John M. Gregory, Gregory family members, and corporate executives employed within the King Pharmaceuticals, Leitner Pharmaceuticals, and SJ Strategic Investments companies founded by Gregory. Gregory is also noted as an important campaign contributor to conservative Republican and anti-abortion political action committees in Tennessee such as the Tennessee Right To Life PAC, the State of Franklin PAC , and the Tennessee Conservative PAC. Gregory financed and founded the Tennessee Conservative PAC as the political action committee's original president.

During 1994, the U.S. National Right to Life Committee announced a U.S. boycott of all Hoechst pharmaceutical products including Altace and by September 17 the anti-abortion organization, Pharmacists For Life International, joined the NRLC boycott, "...against the American subsidiary of Hoechst AG, Hoechst-Roussel, Hoechst-Celanese, its generic subsidiary Coply Pharmaceuticals and the agricultural Hoechst subsidiary" while asking U.S. consumers to "...focus on key Hoechst drugs which have the most economic impact rather than taking an across-the-board shotgun approach" and specifically targeting Altace as a boycott list item.

Hoechst merged with Marion Merrill Dow of Kansas City, Missouri in 1995, forming the Hoechst U.S. pharmaceutical subsidiary Hoechst Marion Roussel (HMR). Altace was then bringing in under $90 million in U.S. revenues for HMR and Hoechst had stopped promoting Altace within the United States. , and King Pharmaceuticals President Jefferson "Jeff" Gregory (brother of then King Pharmaceuticals, Inc. CEO John M. Gregory) also began negotiations in 1995 with Hoechst to acquire U.S. distribution rights to Altace.

Hoechst underwent a 1997 realignment wherein its various businesses were transferred to independent companies, including Nutrinova on April 2, and the anti-abortion group Concerned Women For America announced during a National Right To Life Committee press briefing at the National Press Club that the anti-RU486 boycott against the U.S. subsidiaries of Hoechst AG & Roussel Uclaf by the NRTLC "...will be more narrowly focused onto the HMR prescription drugs Allegra, Cardizem, Seldane, Claforan, Lasix, DiaBeta, and Nicoderm" - and Altace is auspiciously no longer included by Concerned Women For Americas as a boycotted Hoechst Marion Roussel product.

The King Pharmaceuticals wholly owned subsidiary Monarch Pharmaceuticals, Inc. --- then under the leadership of Joseph R. Gregory (brother of John M. Gregory), former Vice Chairman of King and  former President and Chief Executive Office of Monarch Pharmaceuticals, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of King --- acquired ownership of the U.S. distribution and marketing rights to Altace and other Hoescht products from Hoescht AG subsidiary Hoechst Marion Roussel of Kansas City, Missouri on December 18, 1998, and following a January 1999 merger with Rhône-Poulenc, Hoechst assummed the new corporate identity of Aventis.

Ramsey organized an August 1999 lobbying airlift from Northeast Tennessee aboard King Pharmaceuticals owned corporate aircraft and flew to Nashville meeting with TennCare Director Brian Lapps that was also attended by State Representatives Steve Godsey, Jason Mumpower and  David Davis at the request of then King Pharmaceuticals lobbyist and former Tennessee State Senator James "Jim" L. Holcomb. The meeting was successful in placing the recently acquired Monarch Pharmaceuticals (a King Pharmaceuticals subsidiary) branded drug Altace onto the TennCare Preferred Drug List within only 33 days. Lapps resigned as TennCare Director on September 27, 1999. Ramsey was later quoted stating about bringing about the addition of Altace before TennCare Director Lapps is that, ''I'm proud of setting up that meeting. What it did was provide good jobs and good benefits for a company in my district.'' Lapps resigned as TennCare Director underdate of September 27, 1999.

Former King Pharmaceuticals lobbyist Holcomb was later hired during February 2004 "... to manage the firm's governmental affairs" by the Gregory controlled SJ Strategic Investments, LLC on Februaury 2, 2004 and also serves as the Tennessee Conservative PAC Treasurer.

Aventis went on in 1994 to merge with Sanofi-Synthélabo, forming Sanofi-Aventis as the third largest pharmaceutical company in the world.

By your aboved stated rationale, you should have only edited out the last pharagraph pertaining to Aventis merging with Sanofi-Synthélabo and leave all the political connections and interworkings intact and drop the rating back down to Start-class. 4.88.154.181 23:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE
No, Scribner, that info belongs here even less than in the Black article. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Obviously, I disagree. This event isn't criticism or a violation of WP:BLP and is pertinent to Tennessee legislature.  If it's WP:UNDUE, why'd you remove the entire section? Scribner (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

49th?
Does the Tennessee Blue Book list him as the 49th lieutenant governor? Bms4880 (talk) 19:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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