Talk:Rule of law

Things I expected to find
Things I thought I'd find here but were missing:

"A nation of laws, not men," indicating the actual meaning of the often half-quoted truth is along the lines of the meaning of the rule of law.

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse," indicating that when the rule of law is present (especially, the law is fundamental, and well-understood) there's no reason that one may not know/understand the law (as opposed to the opaque and enigmatic law of today.)

Your views? 216.241.44.104 (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC) _________________________ Came here looking for contribution of Jews/Israel/Hebrews to concept of rule of law. Found nothing. Yet surely this has been a major contribution, if not THE major contribution to the concept of governing human society through law: (1) the idea of the 10 Commandments, (2)the painstaking study and written preservation of law through the centuries and (3)the education of generations of young people in Hebrew law as integral part of growing up.Starfoot (talk) 14:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC) ___________________________

== Definition.

== That definition is ridiculous. It's clear as mud. It should be replaced with a definition that's clear, precise, and not so brimming over with elitist arrogance.

173.2.154.46 (talk) 01:26, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree. You should add it.  But similarly there was precedent for it in the Indus Valley Civilization (year 4,000 B.C.), Babylon (the Code of Hammurabi), and the Upanishads, of India, dating back to 800 B.C.  Caelulum (talk) 14:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I think that the RULE OF LAW came from early Greece because my brother made it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.83.47.148 (talk) 03:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Hayek
I am mystified by the lengthy quotation from Hayek at the end, since he represents a doctrinaire view that equates rule of law with libertarian theory.–––– — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.108.132.166 (talk) 18:17, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Nomocracy and Rule of Law
Are Nomocracy and Rule of Law talking about the same thing? What are some of the differences? 94rain (talk) 02:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)94rain
 * Somebody once invented the word "nomocracy", that's all. It hasn't caught on.  I've removed the ref. Wikiain (talk) 22:19, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Out of date graph
2005 map of Worldwide Governance Indicators, which attempts ... is outdated. Let us update or remove.

Totally agree. Here is the most up to date one I can find, 2018. | http://governance.neda.gov.ph/?p=879 --138.38.99.147 (talk) 19:19, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

The United States doesn't have Rule of Law at all. The courts, internal affairs, DAs offices, and Attorney Generals, all allow police to do whatever they want, including rape torture and preplanned murder, and all push for the entire government class to be above the law. There are tens of examples of this weekly. Caelulum (talk) 14:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

First line
The OED definition as the first line is a rather weak way to open the article in my opinion. Maybe it could be changed to a circumscription of the principle in abstract terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.62.250 (talk) 16:04, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

International Rule of Law
Is there no article International Rule of Law? As Stoltenberg just advocated to abolish it. --Alien4 (talk) 14:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

References close to subject matter
In the Organizations section there are a few organizations whose sections are sourced entirely from their websites. Some orgs have blue links but others do not, and their paras contain nothing but references to their own websites. Itanalot (talk) 00:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

John Adams
Completely agree that John Adams was one of those who brought the concept of rule of law to the real life, but I would prefer as the quotation the Article XXX of the Constitution of Massachusetts, "so that we are ruled by not by men" as the best example of what is the purpose of law.

Ceplm (talk) 20:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Status of Rule of Law in United States in wake of Trump v United States (2024)
Many legal and constitutional scholars, as well as current president Joe Biden have stated that this decision weakens rule of law in the United States. No discussion of rule of law (defined in this article as implying that even the head of government may be prosecuted if he or she commits a serious crime) is complete without a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States_(2024), which violates this principle by creating practical impunity - eliminating the practical risk of prosecution of the president for almost any crime he or she may commit while in office. 174.21.135.244 (talk) 03:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * If you have a wp:Reliable Source for "Many legal and constitutional scholars . . . have stated that this decision weakens rule of law in the United States" then you should add this point. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Some reliable sources on this point are verbose to the point of obscuring a painfully obvious point. With rule of law, nobody is above that law, and anyone may be prosecuted. Trump v United States effectively prevents prosecution of presidents, creating a system that no longer observes such rule of law when it comes the most powerful person and his associates.
 * In terms of referencing legal opinion in a readable way, this is a good start: https://news.berkeley.edu/2024/07/02/high-court-ruling-on-presidential-immunity-threatens-the-rule-of-law-scholars-warn/
 * The dissent from Justice Sotomayor should be referenced as it makes most of the relevant details. The original opinion is there as well, though I'd advise skipping past the utterances of its authors who have no business holding public office in any free country: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf 174.21.135.244 (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Go for it! - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 17:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

law
Addressing barrier to rule of law implementation in Pakistan 103.167.158.249 (talk) 16:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Please provide more information regarding the purpose of your post. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 03:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)