Talk:Rumia

Vital Statistics-Official Records for Rahmel-Westprussia
moved here, because of ongoing vandalism by emax [Vital Statistics of People-Birth-Marriage-Death in Rahmel since c1650 - 1940 [Kirchenbuecher, Legal records of birth, marriage, death of inhabitants of Rahmel, Westprussia since c 1650 ( http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=351510&subject_disp=Germany%2C+Preu%C3%9Fen%2C+Westpreu%C3%9Fen%2C+Rahmel+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0)]

LDS Filmed Legal Records Taufen-Birth,Baptism Heiraten- Marriage Tote- Death- LDS Filmed-Church Books-Legal Records of Inhabitants of Rahmel/Prussia/Westprussia since 1650 (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetailsprint.asp?titleno=103047)

[Index of Church-Vital Statistics offices in 1905 for Rahmel/Kreis (County) Neustadt/Westpreussen http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:iE1aWd0xNLoJ:pom-wpru.kerntopf.com/evkirche/+rahmel+kreis+neustadt&hl=en]

Rahmel on Ost-Westpreussen Map of 1896
Moved Rahmel on map here, because of ongoing vandalism by Emax

Rahmel in Westprussia on a 1896 map of Ost-Westpreussen (East-Westprussia)] click bottom right to enlarge

The official name of the town just north of Danzig has been Rahmel (misspelled Rhamel on map) for a long time and Rahmel was part of the Freie Stadt Danzig - Free State of Danzig after Treaty of Versailles dismemberment of Germany. Erika Steinbach's father was n o t stationed in Poland. Rahmel became Rumia in 1945.

MG 2/18/2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.39.36 (talk • contribs)

The Free State of Danzig did not only consist of the city of Danzig, but included the Landkreis Danzig (surrounding county and villages. It also contained Danzig Zoppot (Sopot), 3 Landkreise (Rural Districts) Danziger Hőhe, Danziger Niederung, Groβwerder (Marienburg Werder) plus over 260 towns and villages.

Rahmel in Westprussia/Provinz Eastprussia was part of the German Empire in 1871 and in 1874 the Prussian districts were formed with Kreis Neustadt i.Westpr. and Amtsbezirk Rahmel Number 7. This Rahmel Amtsbezirk Nr 7 included the rural communities of Rahmel, Sagorsch, Schmelz and the estates of Johannesdorf and Rahmel. (District circle). 1912 the estate of Johannesdorf was annexed to the Rural District Rahmel.

With the Treaty of Versailles all these people (plus many more in other parts of Germany) were deprived of German citizenship. They received seperate passports as citizens of Freie Stadt Danzig. With the re-annexation in 1939 they rehained their German citizenship.

The area of the Landkreis Danzig -turned into Freie Stadt Danzig with Treaty of Versailles reached south to Dirschau (today Tczew) and to Elbing (today Elblag), District of Neustadt is today Wejerowo, if you want to look it up on a map. MG 2/19/2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.39.36 (talk • contribs) -

Care to explain how Rumia could have been a part of Danzig seeing as Gdynia (where a port was built because it wasn't in Danzig) lies between Rumia and Danzig? Thanks. --Qviri (talk) 16:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * See answer above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.39.36 (talk • contribs)


 * Way to not answer my question. Please consult a map (perhaps the one at Polish Corridor) and explain to me how Rumia could have been a part of Freie Stadt Danzig given that Gdynia was not, and Poland had land access to Gdynia. Thanks, Qviri (talk) 03:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Here is a website with parts of Treaty of Versailles: it shows a map too. Comparing to the West-Eastprussia map of 1896 Rahmel, now Rumia is right in that border area.

Treaty of Versailles, called a Dictate, was not accepted by the German government. They were not allowed to negotiate and they stepped down. Then someone was found to sign, in order to have bombings on Germany stopped ( or not resumed). US America did not sign the treaty.

The area in the vicinity of Rahmel was given to Poland =Polish Corridor to give it access to the Baltic Sea, without plebiscite, without giving the inhabitants any vote (see de.wikipedia Rumia/Rahmel article). Many changes followed and I cannot say for sure exactly about Rahmel. From what map in Polish you added here, one can assume, that it was part of the Corridor. But you do not state what kind of map, besides it is not an official map, just some political outline. Some other areas in Eastprussia were allowed to vote, because Poland kept saying, that it is all Polish. The result was about 2- 5% for annexation to Poland and 95-98% against Poland.

You can find the LDS filmed church records- birth-marriage-death for Rahmel/Westprussia above: Vital statistics- Records). They are from 1600's to 1940 for Catholic and till 1939 for Protestants of Rahmel, they are continously in German (with the Catholic ones having some Polish). That shows that Rahmel was still German by 1939 and it remained so untill 1945, when the Soviet Union conquered it.

Reading up on International law and what was done with the Treaty of Versailles in regards to taking away land 'giving it away' without the people having a say in it, seems to be illegal.

MG 2/20/2006

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Edit war
This village had a population of 800 inhabitants, 200 or 300 of them were probably German (as it was situated in an Kashubian area). There are a lot of other towns in today's Poland which had a lot more German inhabitants and a lot more importance for German history. There are a lot of stubs about more important cities that wait for additional information, so please focus your energy on them.

By the way, the city was created of five different villages. If the Polish government had decided in 1954 to call the city with another village's name we would not see an edit war now. Why don't you spend your energy for searching the other village's names during German empire? 62.104.210.101 21:41, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * please see WikiProject Cities/German names and Talk:Gdansk ...Sicherlich 19:15, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

City population
source: Rocznik Statystyczny 1981, G&#322;ówny Urz&#261;d Statystyczny, Warszawa 1981, Rok XLI 1960: 15.100 inhabitants 1970: 23.300 inhabitants 1975: 26.000 inhabitants 1980: 26.700 inhabitants

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Birthplace of Erika Steinbach
Huh? Who? Yeah, I know. Read on.

The Erika Steinbach article has been protected to encourage editors to resolve an edit war over the wording of her place of birth (in essence Rahmel vs. Rumia and text describing its location in German-occupied Poland). This dispute is similar but not exactly the same as the Gdansk/Danzig dispute. There is a vote going on at Talk:Erika Steinbach regarding how to word the place of birth. Please express your opinion on this issue if you have one. --Richard 20:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Rumia
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Rumia's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "auto": From Poland:  From Italy:  From World War I:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC)