Talk:Run rig

Where else are they: Cumbria
The article says: "for a type of arable cultivation practised in northern and western Great Britain,... ".

Where else do they exist, outwith Scotland? Cumbria? Lancashire? Wales? It would be useful to be as accurate as possible.--Mais oui! 13:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't got the source I used to hand at the mo but this extract from a 1910 History of the Isle of Man puts it in Ireland and "probably" Man too. Run-rig is recorded at Alwinton in the C18 (section 6.7.1)and this source talks about a type of run rig was used generally in northern Northumberland. adamsan 22:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Run rig, rundale, open field, ridge and furrow
There seems to be some confusion here.

Run rig and rundale are systems of land occupation. Ridge and furrow is not, it's a cultivation pattern which could occur in any system of land occupation where arable farming is done with non-reversible ploughs. Surviving ridge and furrow topography is therefore an indication of systems where it was used – including (at least) the run rig, rundale and English open field systems. I've tried to amend run rig to reflect this.--Richard New Forest 10:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Correct version of practice/practise
quite happy to defer to you on the verb over the noun, but I did state that the second sentence spells practice with a C - I was merely aligning them, or are they both correct with the first as practise and the second one as practice? What I was going for, was that it was an occupation, a way of life, so it seemed to me to be a C- I just don't see how it can be expressed as both? As I said - I am definitely not an expert, so I am more than happy to defer. Thanks and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2023 (UTC)


 * My edit summary should have made clear that "practice" is the noun - and we have verb then noun in this part of the article. Just one of those quirks of the (British) English language that actually helps with readability if you know the rules, but irritating if you don't. Interestingly, American English used to have the same differentiation between verb and noun, but this disappeared in the middle of the last century. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 21:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks - sill makes no sense to me, but thanks for replying. Don't worry - I am not asking you to explain it, I probably wouldn't understand anyway! Regards.

Improvements needed
The article suffers from a number of expression and interpretation errors as well as general mistakes. The image provided in the article should identify the evidence as rig and furrow strips which were/may have been administered on a run-rig system of tenure. As for the description of run-rig itself, it is flawed. While a certain land or township would be divided between farmers, the use of the word strip is a problem, because this applied not just to farmed portions but also the waste baulks between them or between neighbouring townships/lands. Also, each farmer or family did not have to receive just one rig. This varied greatly. Sometimes the land was divided into three rigs per family, two rigs, three rigs and a cross rig, etc. Finally, the changes in the 18th century did lead to the transition to crofts, but this was concentrated in the Highlands and Islands. In other areas it was simple separate farms per tenant/proprietor family, and arranged into rectilinear enclosed fields. This dominated in the Lowlands and some Highland areas. The article, as it is, is far from an adequate and factual account of the run-rig system. 82.43.88.129 (talk) 22:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have any sources that contain what you describe? ThoughtIdRetired TIR 19:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)