Talk:Rupert Giles

Birth details?
"Rupert Giles was born in 1954 into an upper-class family in London, England." Source? Upper class can be assumed from accent, as can England, but London and 1954? --81.159.195.182 13:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

This sounds like it was written by an American who doesn't really understand the British class system - "upper class" is royalty and aristocracy. Is this what is meant? I think "upper-middle class" is what is actually meant. 88.111.37.74 00:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted it. You're right, Giles isn't exactly upper class; he had a less-than-posh accent as a teenager. Whoever wrote that probably just assumed he was upper-class because of his accent in Season 1 etc, which I think is more because of his associations with the snobby Watchers than his upbringing.


 * Conversely, the less-than-posh accent ("Band Candy"; said to be Head's normal voice) could be a sign of adolescent rebellion; compare William/Spike! —Tamfang (talk) 05:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Drusilla
Was that kiss with Drusilla really a "romantic relationship"? Giles really believed she was Jenny Calendar, so I don't think that counts as a prolonged relationship.

Other relationships
The paragraph regarding Angel is rather biased towards Angel and really doesn't consider Giles and his state of mind, especially in regards to what happened to Jenny. Is this fair?

Ripper/Angel
Should the info about "Ripper" and his non-appearance on "Angel" be moved somewhere else? Like his Appearances section? They didn't happen, so they're not really part of his character history, and feel out of place.

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music fan
This addition:


 * He also seems to be a fan of The Velvet Underground, Cream, and the Bay City Rollers.

was reverted with the comment:


 * Please at least cite an episode that supports this conclusion.

Easy (not that I'd include any of this in the article). He mentions the Bay City Rollers in "The Dark Age". In "Band Candy" he plays "Tales of Brave Ulysses" for Joyce (and again in "Forever"). In "The Harsh Light of Day" Oz finds Loaded in his collection. —Tamfang (talk) 06:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Do you know how to add those as references to the text? If so, feel free to add back in with those as refs.  If not, give me a shout and I'll help. Jclemens (talk) 07:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The "Bay City Rollers" remark was a joke and taken as such by Buffy (her reply was "I didn't hear that!") Britmax (talk) 09:06, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

John Constantine
Does anyone have any information on whether the character was influenced by the comics character John Constantine, or if Giles influenced that character? There are just too many little coincidences to someone like me. They're both Englishmen with reasonable skill in magic (Constantine is much more powerful) but when looking at character histories they have a lot of similarities. Giles was shown to have played guitar in his youth and Constantine was in various punk bands. And more notably both were involved in a botched summoning of a demon in their youth that got friend(s) killed and later came to haunt them in a present day storyline. I'm more inclined to believe that Whedon might have used a little bit of that background when creating his own character but some sort of documentation would be nice. 99.240.146.252 (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

There isn't any sort of documentation for that because it's untrue. Giles may share certain points in common with John Constantine, but they're remarkably different characters. The "formerly rebellious but currently stuffy archetype" is seen all the time. Giles certainly did not influence JC, seeing as how the points you mentioned about him were established more than a decade before Buffy the Vampire Slayer came on the air. Was Whedon drawing on Moore? Probably a little, but certainly not enough to be worth throwing on the wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.255.1.245 (talk) 12:29, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yowza. Bit late to this party, but that bizarrely defensive and poorly researched response wasn't very helpful. Delano established all of those things about Constantine around the time you're suggesting Whedon established them about Giles (Hellblazer 11, "Newcastle" came out in Nov. '88, and established the botched-teenage-demon-summoning-that-caused-pain-to-friends thing)...which is more indicative of correlation than not. Anyway, Constantine is not stuffy (now, and wasn't then). Of course, it's all moot if no one has ever directly mentioned it (be it Whedon or Batali/des Hotel who wrote the episode that most clearly drews some parallels, coincidental or otherwise). They are pretty amazing coincidences if they are coincidence, though, so I wouldn't be surprised to find someone mentioned it somewhere. But I haven't seen it.FangsFirst (talk) 23:47, 24 August 2013 (UTC)