Talk:Sérgio Vieira de Mello

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Sérgio Vieira de Mello and the traffic in children
A contributor added the following interesting details to the biography, which were deleted later:

"De Mello became the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights in 2002 and as such he ignored many complaints of human rights violations, including complaints addressed to him personally. He ignored especially complaints about state abuse of children and violations of children's rights. He ignored complaints about the corruption of subordinates appointed to children's rights offices and their complicity with pedophile and trafficking rings."

This complaint about De Mello had been made before.

It is true that at the time of De Mello's death, there had been many complaints to him by relatives of victims of kidnappers, pedophiles and traffickers in children. The criminals operated in conspiracy with officials of state governments and local and international non-governmental organizations. The latter group included United Nations employees. De Mello never replied to the complaints and there was no indication that they ever received proper consideration.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Thaddeus Santos (talk • contribs) 07:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

It is a pity that only after his death was this article written. Well, I guess we cannot write articles about eveybody living, but Sérgio really deserved a mention. I'm shocked about his death. User:Marco Neves

EuroNews noted today (Aug 20, 2003) he was "separated" not "divorced" from his wife. What a perfect candidate for the next Secretary General! All life dedicated to the UN, great knowledge, great heart, pure diamond! Those who organized this crime will burn in hell for ever. God-Allah

Married at time of death?
I believe that his divorce was finalized before his death, but I don't have my copy of Samantha Power's Chasing the Flame to verify. Could someone please verify that his divorce was finalized and update the page accordingly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.105.246.241 (talk) 15:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC) He was divorced from his first wife at the time of his death. That's according to "Chasing the Flame." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.156.43.8 (talk) 19:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC) (UNTRUTH).

Samantha Power herself recognizes that her book on Sergio Vieira de Mello has many holes and untruth.

According the legal authority, the divorce procedure was not finalized at the time of Sergio's death, he was still legally married. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.75.179.63 (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Samantha Power, the Pulitzer Prize winner author, shows in her bibliography that the documents of the divorce are public domain at the High Tribunal of the City of Thonon-les-Bains, France. She states that it was a litigious divorce with high drama. She also cites the testimony of 400 interviewees on the subject. Could the previous entry be written by his ex-wife? This would make the entry not independent or unbiased. Check http://chasingtheflame.typepad.com/chasing_the_flame/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkakuh (talk • contribs) 00:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Samantha Power's book is not an official biography. As she says, her book has many untruths about Sergio's death but also his private life. No document of divorce has been registered at the High Tribunal of the Thonon-les-Bains, Samantha Power should have checked this point more carefully instead of relating any story. Sergio was married at time of death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.159.120.139 (talk) 22:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Need for Yugoslavia disambiguation
This article now states that:


 * The early 1990s found him in involved in the clearing of land mines in Cambodia, and then in Yugoslavia.

Note that in early 1990s (from 1991, internationaly recognized from 1992) Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia no longer existed and Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was not yet attacked by NATO so probably there were no deployed mines in what anyone would call "Yugoslavia". Please make clear which Yugoslavia is meant by this sentence, possibly disambiguate it with proper link. --Romanm 19:48, 3 Jun 2004

Awards and Honors
Do you think there should be a section where a list of awards and honors de Mello received (posthumous and living?) Zscout370 18:37, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It think only important awards should be listed - I personally do not htink that the awards that have been mentioned are important, and the "Foundation" seems to be limited to being only a website!. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkakuh (talk • contribs) 00:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

wikilinks
Does anyone else feel like this article has way too many wikilinks? Every year, every word that has a link... I think it detracts from reading the article easily. Jacoplane 01:49, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It is right... I don't see the need for links for the languages he spoke... (e.g.)

Highest ranking official killed in The Global War on Terror?
If this is true perhaps the fact the De Mello and the UN were willing to make such a sacrifice should be mentioned. Geo8rge 18:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * nah, humanitarian aid workers have been getting killed in large numbers long before the Bush administration came up the phrase "war on terror", he was lucky to live as long as he did. He was the first official to meet with the Khmer Rouge (some called it a suicide mission), and he walked right into the line of fire multiple times in Bosnia. Each year there are dozens to hundreds of aid workers killed around the world in various conflicts. 71.191.42.242 (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point, but the original comment was about his being the highest-ranking official to die in these circumstances. Rodrigo de Salvo Braz (talk) 20:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Protection
There seems to be a dispute as to whether to include this material, so I've protected the article for three days. Please try to reach a compromise on talk. SlimVirgin talk  contribs 09:10, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Milkakuh, could you say here what your objections to it are, please? I understand you've been removing it from another wiki too.  SlimVirgin  talk  contribs 00:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Could a Brazilian give us the pronunciation of his name?Martin852 (talk) 22:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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Marital status
There is no doubt he was married to his first wife. What is unclear is the status of any divorce, and if he ever did get divorced. Also, his second partner was not a legal "wife" in the usual sense, but a domestic partner in a civil union. What's the best way to improve this content? Right now Carolina is described as a spouse and wife. -- Valjean (talk) 00:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * the text is quite clear on this one, right? so its more about the "Infobox person" I assume? --LH7605 (talk) 13:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Not just the infobox. We have the following in the article:

Annie Vieira De Mello (m. 1973 – 1986) I don't see anything about a divorce in the article, and to call Carolina his "spouse", there had to be a successful divorce, right? Without a divorce, she would be his civil partner. -- Valjean (talk) 19:16, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * spouse(s)  = Carolina Larriera (m. 2000 – August 19, 2003)
 * In 1973, he married Annie Personnaz, a French assistant at UNHCR, with whom he had two sons, Laurent and Adrien. The marriage fell apart only a few years later. After being separated for over 20 years from his first wife, he met his second spouse, Carolina Larriera, a Harvard-trained UN diplomat with a degree in economics, with whom he lived in a civil union until his death.
 * In 1973, he married Annie Personnaz a French secretary at UNHCR with whom he had two sons, Laurent and Adrien. They lived in the French town of Thonon-les-bains, before moving a few years later to a permanent home in the French village of Massongy, near the Geneva border.
 * The Sergio Vieira de Mello Center was founded by his mother, Gilda Vieira de Mello and Sergio’s surviving spouse Carolina Larriera, also a former UN diplomat and Harvard trained professional, to honor his legacy, and works with a network of supporters out of Brazil, Sergio’s country of nationality and Timor-Leste, the country he helped create – around the world.
 * In Timor-Leste, Sergio met Carolina Larriera, an Argentine economist who studied at Harvard University. Sergio and Carolina had a civil union that lasted until his death.    The civil union was the result of a lawsuit won by Larriera against his estranged wife, heirs and the Estate, and was granted by a panel of three magistrates led by Judge Regina Fábregas Ferreira of the Family Court of the Capital District, Judiciary, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, after a process of more than ten years.
 * We use this legal document as a source, and it does mention the word "divorce", but does not make it clear that they ever did get divorced. I'm not a lawyer, and don't know French law, so I would like someone to explain what it means. -- Valjean (talk) 19:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A divorce procedure was started in Jan 2003 after 30 year of marriage, it was followed by a conciliation period that started in May of that year but it never reached a conclusion as the bombing in Baghdad happened before it ended. Therefore the divorce was never pronounced and legally Sergio was still married to his wife Annie at the time of his death on Aug 2003. The statement in his bio that Annie was his spouse from 1973 to 1986 and CL from 2000 to 2003 is simply not true and should be corrected, on both the English and Portuguese pages. Huayna 65 (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The question that remains is if it's proper to call CL a "wife" if they were never legally married. A partner, yes, but not a wife. -- Valjean (talk) 02:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I have made some changes to his marital and partner status. I hope that is accurate and an improvement. -- Valjean (talk) 15:00, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * An error crept in there, so I have fixed it. I see the "m" is still wrong, so I'll fix that. -- Valjean (talk) 15:04, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Dates on marital status were wrong, the marriage with Annie ended with the bombing in Baghdad as stated above, hence on Aug 19, 2003. This was corrected on the English page but the Portuguese page still states 1986, which is wrong. Can you please edit? Then stating "partner" for Larriera is not right either as she was recognized a partner only in Brazil, because bigamy is not legal in other countries. Therefore the English bio should not mention this extra marital relationship. Huayna 65 (talk) 21:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "Partner" does not denote marital. It means a relationship "other than" married.
 * What do you want me to edit? It looks like you already did it. Just be careful. -- Valjean (talk) 20:33, 13 June 2020 (UTC)