Talk:Samba school

This article urgently needs a clean up
It is merely copied from the portuguese Wikipedia, and although informative for those already in the know, 70% of it is impossible to understand due to the horrible translations. For example a surdo drum is translated to "deaf". Makes no sense. I tried to change these meaningless translations in the "battery" section, but someone reverted my edits. This is the English Wiki, but that does not mean that the use of foreign words are not appropriate. A surdo drum is a surdo drum, not a "deaf". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.81.226.242 (talk) 11:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ditto, the article is unreadable. It's probably been translated using Google translate or something. Shame on who reverted your edits. 114.148.157.150 (talk) 14:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

This article is a clear direct (possibly machine) translation from the Portuguese entry. Please help improving the text or re-writing it altogether. I did my best until section characterization. However, upon looking at the Portuguese entry, I believe that a proper re-writing would be more appropriate than a simple text clean-up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafabozzolla (talk • contribs) 15:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The "repairing" of the poor quality "translation" from another language, might be helped (made possible, and a little easier) if someone would provide the URL (internet address) of the specific version that was used as input to whatever "translation" was already done. If that cannot be found, then perhaps someone should try to "re-do" the translation, (maybe one section at a time -- or one sub-section at a time) using the "current" entry for the article in the Portuguese Wikipedia.  Knowing very little (basically zero) of the Portuguese language myself, I am not qualified. --Mike Schwartz (talk) 01:41, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

A general clean-up was clearly urgent as the page had been in a semi-unreadable state for a while. I have tried to correct some of the glaringly undecipherable English that looked as if it was the result of a machine-translation. But in some cases I have left it. Feel free to reverse my deletes if you have the knowledge of the subject and can put it in good English! Some of the points were very minor, causing unbalance, or certain schools were (it seemed to me) disproportionately emphasised and in some cases I have deleted meaningless English rather than try to get to the bottom of what was meant, especially when there was no Portuguese original referenced. In some cases also, facts have changed or are/would be better dealt with on a different page (judging categories, for instance, and numbers, ticket costs). In many cases, there is no equivalent English word. "Samba school" means something very specific in a Brazilian context, whereas it would simply indicate somewhere to go along for samba lessons in any other country. I have tried to bring this out. Many technical words, even simple ones like "bateria", are better explained and then left intact as there is no equivalent outside of Brazilian carnival. Similarly, there is no point in using the official term "carnavalesco" and then changing the spelling to a more anglicised one, since the word has no meaning outside of the Portuguese. Due to time, I haven't gone over the whole text with the same detail, or provided references to everything that needs them (or deleted all the broken references or in some cases what I feel were occasionally misleading ones.) More work is still needed on the Section or a full re-writing, as has been suggested. I'm merely trying to make it a bit better than it was. I apologise for any shortcomings in my Wiki editing and formating skills, which I am still developing. --Parzivalamfortas (talk) 18:51, 12 March 2014 (UTC) Some other things I noticed - a lot of the previous general observations are based on Rio de Janeiro. Sao Paulo samba schools, for instance, are not strongly associated with shanty towns, as is predominantly (but not exclusively) the case in Rio de Janeiro.--Parzivalamfortas (talk) 20:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I've just noticed in the History section there seems to be a photo from Helsinki. I think this is inappropriate and should be moved or clarified. That "samba school" wears costumes reminiscent of Brazilian samba schools but they do not dance Brazilian carnaval samba from what I can see and are not a samba school in the same sense as the ones referred to on the page. --Parzivalamfortas (talk) 05:06, 13 March 2014 (UTC) Hello JIP. Congratulations on creating a separate article. Perhaps one of the questions that should arise is the title of this Samba school page, which assumes all the way through that what is being discussed is the Brazilian meaning of "Samba school." Perhaps the title should be changed, or a disambiguation note added, or a "See also" note added. Be this as it may, everything else on the page relates to a uniquely Brazilian institution. Does your promotion of a Helsinki group not strike you as a little odd and out of place? Your new page says that the Helsinki example is "Brazilian influenced" which seems perfectly correct. Placing a photo from Helsinki is out of place unless some explanation is added in the text. And if you do that, then in terms of fairness it would be necessary to include all the groups from the U.S.A. and other countries that are called samba schools but in a very different sense to Brazilian samba schools. There are many academic works to indicate the uniqueness of the Brazilian samba school even if it is not obvious from the text. So with respect, unless you want and feel able to do a major overhaul, I would personally urge you to maybe consider removing the Helsinki picture. Kind regards. Parzivalamfortas (talk) 00:23, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello Parzivalamfortas, I don't know what kind of samba they should be dancing. But I created an article about the Helsinki Samba Carnaval, which has more photographs of the carnival and a link to a Commons category with more pictures, so you can see for yourself. I have never seen an original Brazilian samba carnival as I've never been to Brazil, so I don't know the difference myself. J I P  &#124; Talk 17:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It was not I who added the picture of the Helsinki samba group to this page. It has been there for quite some time. All I did was create an article about the Helsinki Samba Carnaval. And even that article's text was mostly translated from the Portuguese article (although I don't speak much Portuguese). I find it interesting there's no Finnish article about it, even though it's a Finnish event. J I P  &#124; Talk 04:46, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Viradouro school's Holocaust-themed float (2008)
"Viradouro... is no stranger to controversy. In 2008, a judge blocked the group's use of a dancer dressed as Hitler on a float loaded with naked people representing Holocaust victims after the display caused an international outcry." Reported here. -- Deborahjay (talk) 06:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

2010 controversy: seven-year-old girl as drum corps queen
Seven-year-old Julia Lira has been named drum corps queen of the Viradouro samba school, whose president is her father, Marco. Carlos Nicodemos, director of the Rio de Janeiro state Council for the Defense of Children and Adolescents, notes that her performing in this traditionally sexualized role "would increase the treatment of children as sexual objects in Brazilian society." The case now goes to a family court in Rio, with Judge Ivone Ferreira Caetano presiding. Reported here. -- Deborahjay (talk) 06:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

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