Talk:Same-sex marriage in Cuba

Current status?
As of 2009, have there been any recent updates since 2007? VoodooIsland (talk) 04:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Current Status? again
As of 2013, has there been any updates since 2013? anamedperson (talk) 23:08, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Marriage Equality?
Immediately into effect? If not, when does it?Naraht (talk) 15:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

"the first of the former Eastern Bloc (except East Germany and Slovenia)"
I'm having a disagreement with another editor regarding wording in this article. I do not want to start an edit war, so am seeking discussion here on this talk page.

I acknowledge my first edit had fact issues and my second edit was wordy. However, I believe the current text is ambiguous and not accurate, and needs to be replaced with clearer, more accurate wording.

Here is the current wording which I would like to edit, text only, emphasis added:

"Cuba was the first independent nation in the Caribbean, the eighth country in Latin America, the first communist state, the first of the former Eastern Bloc (excluding East Germany and Slovenia), and the 32nd country worldwide to legalize same-sex marriage."

I propose the following text, which adds the word "possibly":

"Cuba was the first independent nation in the Caribbean, the eighth country in Latin America, the first communist state, the first of the former Eastern Bloc (possibly excluding East Germany and Slovenia), and the 32nd country worldwide to legalize same-sex marriage."

or replacing "excluding" with "unless one counts" or something similar:

"Cuba was the first independent nation in the Caribbean, the eighth country in Latin America, the first communist state, the first of the former Eastern Bloc (unless one counts East Germany and Slovenia), and the 32nd country worldwide to legalize same-sex marriage."

A third option would be to completely remove the phrase concerning the Eastern Bloc:

"Cuba was the first independent nation in the Caribbean, the eighth country in Latin America, the first communist state, and the 32nd country worldwide to legalize same-sex marriage."

Justifications:


 * Is Cuba the first or not? (This was my first reaction to reading the current text, and is what prompted my first edit.)


 * If East Germany is not a country, then why is it mentioned here?


 * If Slovenia is not agreed upon to be a former Eastern Bloc country, then why is it mentioned here?


 * Use of the word "excluding" without qualification implies to me agreement that East Germany and Slovenia count as former Eastern Bloc countries which also had same-sex marriage before Cuba and therefore Cuba was not first, which makes the use of the word "first" incorrect in "first of the former Eastern Bloc".

Relevant diffs, from oldest to newest:




 * with comment "East Germany doesn’t exist anymore, and but for debate whether Slovenia as part of Yugoslavia was part of the Eastern Bloc"




 * with comment "MOS:PUNCT, and really just easier and less wordy this way"

Thisisnotatest (talk) 06:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, I think the best would be the third option! Let’s just the remove it. Honestly, it doesn’t bring much in my opinion. Panda2018 0 (talk) 13:12, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you and done! Thisisnotatest (talk) 01:29, 28 May 2023 (UTC)