Talk:Samsun

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What happened in Samsun in 1919 that May 19 is now a holiday in Turkey ? -- 65.95.155.171 20:05, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd like to ask the same question. -- PFHLai 11:43, 2005 May 18 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, some people are too narow minded to accept the truth and write the history as it is. I agree with you. Petros The Greek 16:22, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

The Turkish Independence War started on May 19, 1919, when Mustafa Kemal reached Samsun. I don't understand what you mean Petros. Are the Turks (including me) narrow minded? For what reason? DenizTC 15:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, Dutch speakers!
The Dutch version of is the 200,000th Wikipedia article written in that language. --Slgrandson 01:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Climate?
I would like an expert to check the climate information as I wonder whether global warming is causing the current heatwave. Much as I love the BBC perhaps a more original source could be found? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzlcdh (talk • contribs) 18:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Name
I don't understand the bit in brackets at the beginning:

(alternative spelling Amisus, Eis Amison - meaning to amisos took the name Samsunta or Samsus (Eis Amison - Samson - Samsounta) as in Greek + ounta "Greek toponomical suffix".[1] )

Can anyone rewrite this to make the meaning clearer?

Also does it not contradict the later statement that: "Samsun's original name was Enete"

Jzlcdh (talk) 09:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Tried to clarify this but I do not understand why the previous version mentioned the Hitites in connection with Enete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeune17 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Canik
the name of the region in the past. Böri (talk) 13:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The name Canik came from The Laz people = Č’ani see Macrones article: Strabo (xii.3.18) remarks, in passing, that the people formerly called Macrones bore in his day the name of Sanni, a claim supported also by Stephen of Byzantium, though Pliny speaks of the Sanni and Macrones as two distinct peoples. By the 6th century they were known as the Tzanni (Ancient Greek: Τζάννοι). / The Greek language has no "ch" sound so they used "s" or "tz" sounds... see Laz people article: The Laz, Lazi (ლაზი) or Lazepe (ლაზეფე) in Laz, Lazlar in Turkish, Lazi (ლაზი) or Č’ani (ჭანი) in Georgian are an ethnic group native to the Black Sea coastal regions of Turkey and Georgia. One of the chief tribes of ancient kingdom of Colchis, / Laz people = Č’ani = Sanni /Tzanni > the name of Canik Region! But The Beyliks of Canik were Turkish Beyliks! At that time Laz people were not living in Samsun / Canik Region. Böri (talk) 17:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * map of Canik Region: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Anadolu_Beylikleri.png Böri (talk) 14:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that info but this article is about the city of Samsun not the province of Samsun or the borough of Canik in particular. So the info may be very useful for another article but I am not sure it should be included in this one. Jzlcdh (talk) 00:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Area?
Where does that figure in the infobox come from and does it include Tekkeköy?

Jzlcdh (talk) 19:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I cannot find any source so I am taking it out. If anyone has a source for the right area please put it in and quote the source. Jzlcdh (talk) 10:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Climate?
I really cannot believe that "Snowfall is quite common between the months of December and March, snowing for a week or two, and it can be heavy once it snows." I suspect that someone has copeid or translated this from a source about Samsun Province. As I aked for a reference several months ago and this article is about the city of Samsun not the province I am removing it.

Jzlcdh (talk) 18:01, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Snowfall
I wonder whether Menikure may be thinking of Samsun Province when mentioning heavy snowfall. If so I suggest the sentence be moved to the article about Samsun Province as this article is about the city of Samsun. If Menikure is in fact referring to the city I would like to see some evidence of any heavy snowfall within the city limits this century. Therefore I am adding a "citation needed" tag. Jzlcdh (talk) 15:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a section on this and answering this is trivial itself, but snowfall occurs in Samsun city and the Turkish Black Sea coast (Also in Istanbul and the Sea of Marmara) practically every winter. It varies but is NEVER absent. Snowcover lasts for at least a few days at the northern coasts of Turkey, but snow is normal at these relatively northerly latitudes (the same latitude as Boston). I believe this is due to the silly Western stereotype of Turkey eg. that it "never snows" there, that it is a "tropical country" or that it is a "desert country with date palms" etc.. The only areas in Turkey where snow is rare and very rare are the central and southern Aegean coast and the Mediterranean coast. I will not answer again. User:Menikure  —Preceding undated comment added 19:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC).
 * I changed the emphasis that snowfall is (always) heavy and re-edited that "Snowfalls can be heavy but this usually varies considerably from year to year, and the snowcover and temperatures below the freezing point rarely last more than a few days." This is actually the true extent of the occurence of this wintry phenomenon in northern coastal cities like Samsun (or Istanbul) with a temperate climate, but nevertheless snow does indeed occur virtually every winter. User:Menikure

I don't dispute that it snows. In fact it snowed a couple of days ago. But it has only snowed once this winter and the flakes melted as soon as they hit the ground (even though I was watching from above the average height of the city). So I dispute that it "can be heavy" and I would like to see evidence of any heavy snow within the city this century - for example a local newspaper report. I suspect either global warming or the growth of the city causing an urban heat island is the reason there is not the heavy snow now that the old people can remember from their childhood. Still lets hope more people insulate their houses and it comes back. Jzlcdh (talk) 19:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Map?
Has anyone got a reasonable city map which could be added? Google maps is out of date e.g. it does not show the tramway or shipbuilding yard. It would be good to have one showing the city boundary and contours so that Menikure and I can go to the highest point when it snows next and discuss whether it is heavy! Jzlcdh (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I just looked at Bing Maps and that is even worse than Google Maps. They have labelled the Mert as the Yesilirmak! Jzlcdh (talk) 20:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Added map from Open Street Map via MapOSMatic. First time I did this so if you have a better way feel free. Also you can improve map itself on OSM. Jzlcdh (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Settlers arrived 6th or 7th century BC?
I am confused whether settlers arrived 6th or 7th century BC or both as the history section is unclear on that. Can anyone clarify? Jzlcdh (talk) 10:23, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I happened to notice in the Archeology Museum they say "7th century" so I will delete the sentence re 6th century. Jzlcdh (talk) 18:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Size compared to other Black Sea cities?
Now someone has corrected the Samsun population figure it appears smaller than Odessa which has 1 million people. So presumably the claim in the intro that it is the largest city on the Black Sea is wrong. Similarly Constanta appears to have a bigger port. Anyway I took them out but if anyone has contrary evidence please undo. Jzlcdh (talk) 12:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Greek name of city
Just wanted to explain the reasons why I undid the recent edit which had added the Greek name of the city to the introduction:

1)To avoid an edit war between Greeks and Turks (as a Brit I think I can take a neutral point of view).

2) There are sections of the article entitled "name" and "history" where it could be mentioned if relevent. I believe the introduction is for the most important points. If Athenian would like to write more in the history section about the Miletian settlers it might make very interesting reading. Jzlcdh (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, there has never been an edit-war over the Greek name. Thus the "pre-emptive" removal seems excessive. I added the Greek name because 1) The city had a large Greek population (actually a majority until 1923), and 2) because it isn't actually mentioned anywhere. The name section discusses the origin of the name, without actually mentioning the Greek name. For these two reasons, I would like to re-add the name to the lede. If this becomes a problem, then we can discuss alternatives. However, I cannot agree with a pre-emptive removal. Athenean (talk) 19:44, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Athenean. First thanks for not flaming. Perhaps you are right that the days of Greek/Turk edit wars are over. I still do not think it needs to go in the lead but I have edited the name section to include the Greek name that you wrote. Re your comment on demography did censuses record ethnic origin in those days and if so do you know where the figures are? Also I am a bit confused by the sentence in the article "At that time, Samsun was part of the Greek colony of Amisus." That implies that Amisus was bigger than Samsun but was not Amisus just the former name of Samsun? Jzlcdh (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I do wish to know the Greek name in the form of Greek alphabet (not transliterated). Can anyone add this? I am confused between Amisus and Amisos. Are these two are Latin names or Greek names? BTW, I am Chinese. (Just to avoid misunderstandings.)--Qijiang ok (talk) 16:08, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Added as best I can. Looking at the coins in the external link the Romans seem to have used "AMICOY" so Amisos and Amisus must be varient transliterations into modern English I guess.

Jzlcdh (talk) 16:26, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Where is the 4000 years Greek history of this city?
Come on guys, you can do better than that. Show up your Greekness... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.85.90 (talk) 17:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Are you referring to the events of 760 - 750 BC? If so have you more info and a better reference? Jzlcdh (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Sites?
The "sites" section does not make much sense to me apart from the last paragraph. Perhaps we should remove it and put the last para in "places to see". Or can anyone improve it? Jzlcdh (talk) 20:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Change source of climate data?
Perhaps it should come from http://www.dmi.gov.tr/veridegerlendirme/il-ve-ilceler-istatistik.aspx?m=SAMSUN as there is slightly more info. Jzlcdh (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The source used now for averages does not say over what period the average is taken whereas the source above does. However the source above is for the province not the city. Perhaps the stats should be removed as maybe there is no reliable souce? Jzlcdh (talk) 18:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Ilkhanate or Empire of Trebizond or both?
I am confused whether Samsun was part of the Ilkhanate or the Empire of Trebizond or both? Jzlcdh (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ilkhanates are safavide aryans from erzincan till trebizon, ordu (tends greek culture) et most. Im alevite of erzincan i know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.47.164.222 (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Er .... now I am more confused. I understand that "safavide" is French for "Safavid" but I don't understand what a "Safavid aryan" is or how that relates to my question. Can you explain simply and in detail? Please note my history knowledge is small. Jzlcdh (talk) 18:23, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I still do not understand what you mean. And, as I already mentioned, "safavide" is not an English word but French. English is "Safavid". Can you please explain more clearly? Jzlcdh (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2013 (UTC) Note: the above section's comments were tampered with in this edit on 8 January 2013 (UTC). Graham87 (talk) 04:33, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Brh city at upper Anatolia
Editor in the native section doesnt allow to writing this, whats wrong with samsun then?.(mahire (talk) 15:56, 15 December 2012 (UTC)).

Sorry I do not understand what you mean - can you explain more clearly? Jzlcdh (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Sabbas?
Is George Finlay a reliable source for the info re Sabbas e.g. does he himself cite any primary or other secondary source? Jzlcdh (talk) 19:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: the page < http://en.wikiped...
176.58.180.230 posted this comment on 22 January 2014 (view all feedback).

"the page &lt; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsun > does not contain enough references, I believe that it should be noted. The text also clearly ignores a huge part of the history of the city which was for centuries a vibrant greek city."

Any thoughts?

Jzlcdh (talk) 20:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Could you possibly put "citation needed" where you think a reference is lacking? If you are not sure how to do that please ask or just mention here where you think there should be more refs.

Re the history section I agree it is not very good. However I suspect the history section on the Turkish article is also unreliable. If you have more reliable info or sources please add to it. If I get time I will ask at the new town museum whether they might be able to check and correct the Turkish article on Samsun. If so I can then translate it. Jzlcdh (talk) 20:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

"Not to be confused with Samsung."
Can we have this nonsense deleted again, please? It's ridiculous. -andy 2.243.99.64 (talk) 21:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

As the article is not protected if you want to delete it you should be able to do it yourself. Just click "edit", delete the line which says "Distinguish|Samsung" with curly brackets, and click "save page". Any problems let us know. Jzlcdh (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with OP, and have gone ahead and removed it. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Titular metropolis of the Ecumenical Patriarchate
I have no objection to this edit of yours. Would you wish to remove the same information also from the other part of Wikipedia from which I drew it? Esoglou (talk) 19:52, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This article needs a lot of development and I don't think that the referred edit contributed to a development of this article. You may read the article and will easily see the sections that need improvement; in case you wish to contribute to the development of it. That's all. Thanks. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The position of Samsun within the Greek Orthodox Church in the past is an important piece of info, (and within the present day probably just interesting trivia). So I would support such information being in the article in some form. However, on the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople article we have a map showing Samsun to be within the Metropolis of Neocaesaria in c1880. So is this Metropolis of Amisos thing a newish designation, post 1880s, created after Samsun became a boom town at the end of the 19thC, or an older designation predating the Metropolis of Neocaesaria? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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Yıldıray Çınar
It seems that wrong "Yıldıray Çınar" citied on the page. Should be revise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.175.109.186 (talk) 09:33, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hope you can fix it if you have a reliable source Chidgk1 (talk) 08:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

possible source for history
YÜMLÜ, M., REVISITING THE TWO TRAVEL ACCOUNTS ON THE BLACK SEA REGION OF TURKEY. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)