Talk:Sandy Arbuthnot

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I don't know this character but unless he is always known/introduced in the books as opposed to it being mentioned one or twice by the full form The Honourable Ludovic Gustavus Arbuthnot, I think it would be better to treat him as a 'peer' and drop the hon. and/or add known as the Hon..... under the above to bring it in line with our normal MoS for peers. Alci12 11:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * He is always spoken of as "Sandy Arbuthnot" and sometimes referred to as "Colonel Arbuthnot", "Lord Clanroyden" or whatever. His full name is mentioned Chapter 2, Greenmantle. He doesn't become ennobled until the end of the series although each book mentions that he is the heir to the barony. From memory he is a second son whose older brother died. In any event he is not a peer, he is a fictional character and normal MoS is therefore inapplicable. - Kittybrewster 12:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Even fictional characters aren't Hon name title :) My point was that treating him as though he was a peer ie dropping the hon because he eventually 'succeeded' would be neater. By your own account he's not called 'The Hon' except in cha2 so he by normal wiki fictional naming conventions he probably shouldn't have that then - Sounds like either Sandy A~ or Name, known as Sandy A~ would be best Alci12 12:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Quote ..."If you will consult the Peerage you will find that to Edward Cosptarick, fifteenth Baron Clanroyden, there was born in the year 1882, as his second son, Ludovick Gustavus Arbuthnot, commonly called the Honourable, etc. The said son was ..." To my mind the title of the article is correct and the first line is formal but hardly used. - Kittybrewster 12:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah I found that quote as well :) It's still the case of the title remains something mentioned in one line of one early book and a peerage he fictionally succeeds to at the end of the series with the long form of his name in between. It is difficult to set that against the convention of using the 'most common name of a person' per MoS. However I don't intend to edit though the present is muddled. Alci12 13:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Edward Noel?
"Another Empire-building relation was Edward Noel, a great-great-grandson of Sir Gerard, who won the MacGregor Medal for bravery. “He was a gifted linguist who became an explorer in the Middle East and Asia, often adopting disguises and living rough,” recalls Gerry [Noel]. “It was said that John Buchan modelled the hero of his novel Greenmantle‚ Sandy Arbuthnot, on him." - 8 July 2012 CatholicHerald.co.uk - Kittybrewster  &#9742;  09:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC)