Talk:Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting

FEMA Drill
Why is there no mention of the FEMA school shooting drill that was going on at the school during the time of the shooting? The drill is on the FEMA calander of events, water booths and sign in tables were present at the event becauese of the FEMA drill, without mention of the FEMA drill going on, these other aspects could be taken out of context and be used to promote conspiricy theory. 2600:8800:2221:F500:1810:B1D3:30B7:2BA2 (talk) 05:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Is there any evidence in secondary reliable sources that there was a FEMA drill? This is something that James Fetzer and others have said, but it doesn't appear in mainstream accounts.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Just another baseless allegation that was part of James Fetzer's publications and internet posts about how supposedly nobody died at Sandy Hook. He was sued in 2019 by a father of one of the dead children for making those claims. Fetzer lost & at one point owed $450K for promoting that conspiracy. That is why there is no mention of it in this Wikipedia article, because reliable sources have not stated that claim/allegation/assertion as a verifiable fact with actual proof. Just because Fetzer & his co-author Mike Palacek wrote those words and got them published does not  make  them  true . - Shearonink (talk) 15:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Discovery of the Izhmash Saiga-12 shotgun
The final report by the state's attorney says that the shotgun was discovered in the passenger compartment and then subsequently moved to the trunk for safety purposes. I think the following sentence should include these details.

"Outside the school, an Izhmash Saiga-12 shotgun was found in the trunk of the car Lanza had driven to the school, a black 2010 Honda Civic."

I propose it be changed to something like the following.

"Outside the school, an Izhmash Saiga-12 shotgun was initially found in the passenger compartment of the car Lanza had driven to the school, a black 2010 Honda Civic. A police officer subsequently moved the shotgun and ammunition to the car's trunk for safety purposes."

You can find the report here (see page 13). 2A00:23C5:6013:C201:E1A5:875F:D6B4:7FF (talk) 14:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * And this is a vital detail because?  Acroterion   (talk)   14:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I've changed the wording in the article for the sake of consistency with the Final Report, page 2. The shotgun did not play any part in the shooting and was left in the car.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There probably wasn't a lot of value to pointing out that it was moved, as mentioned, but thanks for the responses. 2A00:23C5:6013:C201:584D:60AF:1CAD:A0D5 (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Adam Lanza page
I think Lanza himself is notable enough to merit him having his own page. James Holmes, Seung-Hui Cho, Nikolas Cruz, Stephen Paddock, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, and Eric Harris + Dylan Klebold all have their own articles. I am asking for input before I go and create the page, though. Praiawart (talk) 00:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please read the FAQ, specifically Q9. What is new that hasn't been discussed before?  Acroterion   (talk)   01:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Number of video games played by Lanza
Re this edit: I did check the source and it looks like twelve games.  ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 19:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The article is listing video game series. For example, they simply list "Shin Megami Tensei", but he was never found to own the Shin Megami Tensei series' eponymous first entry (which wasn't even released outside of Japan), he owned Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES (bottom game in the stack on the top left side of this crime scene photo https://imgur.com/WS1ltTJ). The same goes for "Call of Duty" (he just owned Call of Duty 2-4 along with unnumbered sequel "Finest Hour"), "Dynasty Warriors" (he just owned an unspecified PS2 entry (while the eponymous first Dynasty Warriors game was only on PS1) in the series along with some spinoffs), etc. However, for some reason, the article lists "Vice City", referring to "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City", even though it already separately lists "Grand Theft Auto". He was never found to own the Grand Theft Auto series' eponymous first entry, but he was found the own Grand Theft Auto III, IV, San Andreas, and of course Vice City, so they were already referring to the series. Therefore, I find it less redundant for this page to just list the eleven clearly represented series in that article and ignore the Vice City discrepancy. PizzaStallion (talk) 20:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, the problem seems to be the Vice City discrepancy. The source gives the list of games as: “Grand Theft Auto”

“Shin Megami Tensei” “Dynasty Warriors” “Vice City” “Team Fortress” “Doom” “Left for Dead” “Metal Gear Solid” “Dead Rising” “Half Life” “Battlefield” “Call of Duty” This may involve counting Grand Theft Auto twice, although strictly speaking Grand Theft Auto (1997) and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002) are separate games. I've stuck to what the Final Report says, although it may be inaccurate according to the video game purists.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I’m not exactly sure what you’re saying (the "although it may be inaccurate according to the video game purists" part made it seem to me like you were about to disregard the technicalities I pointed out), but I agree with your subsequent edit. PizzaStallion (talk) 20:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * One of the problems is that the interpretation of the photo here seems to involve some degree of original research. However, I removed the exact number of video games/game series from the article as it isn't a key issue.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Unfortunately, most aspects of Adam are either unreported by the media or reported horribly and even some FBI reports are bad (none of them even specify which Shin Megami Tensei game he had. It gives a completely different idea because Persona 3 hardly even counts as a Shin Megami Tensei game, it’s a spinoff at best and the Japanese title didn’t include SMT in its name), so it’s hard for a Wikipedia page to accurately depict him. PizzaStallion (talk) 22:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)