Talk:Sanhaja de Srair language

Classification as a Zenati dialect
Hello,

The current version of this article claims that the Senhaja language is a Zenati dialect, according to Blench. Blech, however, says that this paper is "a preliminary list" and that "there are still many problems", making it clear that his "list" can't be considered as a WP:RS.

Note that, on the other hand, Bernard & Moussard (1924), p.278, says that (FR) "Le parler des Ketama et des Sanhadja de Srair se rattache a la tamazirt du Moyen Atlas" (translation: The language of the Ketama and the Sanhadja of Srair (i.e., the tribes) is related to the Middle Atlas Tamazirt). Also note that [http://books.google.fr/books?id=fWNpIGNFz0IC&pg=PA598#v=onepage&q&f=false BRILL's First Encyclopaedia of Islam: 1913-1936 (1993), Morocco - VII. Linguistic survey, p.598] links the "Sandadja-d-es-Srair" language to the Central Atlas Tamazight.

Thus, classifying the Senhaja language as a Zenati dialect basing on a non-RS source (as claims Blench himself) while two RS gives the opposite statement makes it WP:OR.

Regards, --Omar-toons (talk) 03:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * If the only things you have are from a century ago, and you don't understand that much of science is preliminary, then there's no reason to take you seriously. — kwami (talk) 05:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Mena Lafkioui, in: Atlas linguistique des variétés berbères du Rif, Berber Studies vol.15, 2007: "In the mountainous landscape of northeastern Morocco, a fairly large geographically contiguous Berber-speaking area with a few million inhabitants is to be found, called the Rif. Its people are generally described as speaking a single Zenati Northern Berber language, Tarifit, apart from in its southwestern corner, where another non-Zenati Northern Berber language, Senhaji, may be distinguished" --Omar-toons (talk) 14:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Lameen Souag in a communication to Ethnologue: "Senhaja de Srair is not Zenati, but rather Atlas, belonging (despite location) with Middle Atlas Tamazight." --Omar-toons (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Now that, IMO, is an acceptable source, even if informal. — kwami (talk) 19:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)