Talk:Sanjak of Üsküp

Renaming?
Skopje:
 * "Sanjak of Skopje" -Llc 8 (-1)
 * "Sandjak of Skopje" -Llc 1
 * "Sandzak of Skopje" -Llc 0
 * "Skopje Sandjak" -Llc 3 (-2)
 * "Skopje Sandzak" -Llc ?
 * "Skopje Sanjak" -Llc 8 (-1)

Uskub:
 * "Sanjak of Uskub" -Llc 20, but includes many old sources.
 * "Sandjak of Uskub" -Llc 9
 * "Sandzak of Uskub" -Llc 0
 * "Uskub Sanjak" -Llc 4, one of them: Skopje (Uskub) sanjak
 * "Uskub Sandjak" -Llc 4 (-2)
 * "Uskub Sandzak" -Llc 0

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Takabeg (talk • contribs) 03:20, 7 August 2011


 * I am not sure what to think about this. When you include alternative name for Skopje - Skoplje, there are some more works that refer to this sanjak as Skopje (skoplje) not Ushkup. Though, you made mistake in the first GBS result. It is 29 not 20 ("Sanjak of Uskub" -Llc 29. )
 * "Sanjak of Skoplje" -Llc 3
 * "Sandjak of Skoplje" -Llc 1
 * "Skoplje sanjak" -Llc 3 (-1)
 * "Sandzak Skoplje" -Llc 1
 * --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggested split
suggested split of this article into articles titled Sanjak of Üsküp (1392–1463) and Sanjak of Üsküp (1463–1913). I would like to thanks to Zoupan for this proposal. It is connected with one important phenomenon: Ottoman borderlands (kind of March (territory)). Precisely with Skopsko Krajište and Bosansko Krajište. I planned to write an article about it and to further investigate and expand articles about different Ottoman borderlands including two above mentioned but two editors did not allow me to do it. Part of the discussion can be found here. Similar to some other articles, like Skaramuca, it seems that the problem was the ""Serbness" of the term Krajiste".

Anyway, the subject of Ottoman borderlands has recently received significant attention of scholarship. I planned to buy a couple of books about this phenomenon but got myself trapped in dark modern history for now. The ottoman borderlands were fluid entities by themselves so it is very important to carefully investigate them before major changes are performed.

To summarize: I basically agree with split proposal, but I am uncertain what is the best name for 1392-1463 entity (Skopsko Krajište?) and what exactly should it cover (should it include Bosansko Krajište or not). If somebody has more knowledge about this issues any suggestion would be highly appreciated. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * : Zoupan is blocked and won't be responding or following up on this split proposal. Do you want to move forward with it? If not, let's remove the template calling for this now three-years-stale discussion. TJRC (talk) 21:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I got myself trapped in the dark modern ages and real life obligations much longer than I planned. Because of that I did not follow my plans to buy literature about the Ottoman Borderlands which would allow me to create articles about this kind of entities, including Skopsko Krajište and Bosansko Krajište. Until I do that, I can not move forward with it, so I will remove template calling for split. All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:17, 9 May 2018 (UTC)