Talk:Sashimono

On banners used
at Battles of Kawanakajima, some are quite famous. Fourth sashimono from left is that used by Takeda clan called "Takedabishi" or "Takedahishi", literally Takeda diamonds. Fifth one is used by Sanada clan commonly called "Sanada Rokumonsen", literally Sanada's Six Coins. Sanada's design has another meaning as it is the amount of money traditionally buried with a dead, it shows that troops under that banner fight to the death. If anyone has a photo of Sashimono used by Uesugi Kenshin, it has a short passage from a Buddhist scripture showing his dedication to Buddhism, it would be a meaningful addition to this article. --Revth 10:00, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * You should write about that in the article. I'll help you with the images if you like. Here are the flags used by Uesugi and here are the ones used by Takeda. Which Uesugi sashimono in particular were you referring to? If you dont have photoshop or whatever I can compose some more palettes of flags for you or just crop and upload individual flags. Let me know --Clngre 14:16, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Flags and Signals in Japanese warfare
I don't know if it's been done already, but I was thinking of writing an article to incorporate the various modes of communication on a feudal Japanese battlefield - sashimono, hata-jirushi, uma-jirushi, horo, nobori, jinkai, taiko, and the daimyo's signalling fan which I don't know the Japanese name of...

Any suggestions as to what to call this article? (and/or category which the individual entries for the above items should probably go under)

thanks

LordAmeth 16:39, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * What you've named it now is fine I think. On a similar note I was thinking wikipedia really needs an article on Japanese heraldry in general. It's a very rich and interesting topic from what I've read but, unfortunately, its way out of my depth. If anyone is familiar with the topic, it'd be great to start an article on that. I'll help out any way I can. --Clngre 22:12, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

指し物 = Cabinetmaking?
So, um, the Japanese page this links to is about woodworking. If I look up the first set of kanji in a dictionary it says it means "cabinetmaking" and the Japanese Wikipedia page refers to cabinetmaking (oddly enough, Apple's builtin Japanese dictionary based on the Daijisen does contain 指物 in the sense of battle flag, noting it only came into use with the Sengoku era, along with the cabinetmaking definition).

Japanese wikipedia, by contrast, refers to this style of flag as 幟 (nobori), for which a wikipedia page already exists. I want to suggest that the contents of this article be merged into that of Nobori, with a stub for the style of cabinetmaking and a note directing people curious about the flag to Nobori. I don't know enough about wikipedia administration to do it myself.

For what it's worth, scholarship in English predominantly uses sashimono with respect to woodworking, with most references to battle flags due to the considerable volume of scholarship by Turnbull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.247.26.66 (talk) 23:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merge
I propose a merge based off of this comment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sashimono#%E6%8C%87%E3%81%97%E7%89%A9_=_Cabinetmaking? Space772 (talk) 03:27, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I am not an expert on this subject, but I don't think the examples shown at Sashimono are actually Nobori. As the name nobori implies, they have to be long and thin. Another option (if we take for granted that all of these subjects are inherently "Japanese") would be to use Umajirushi for the material currently at Sashimono (cf. ja:馬印). However, it's also possible just to make a hatnote on the current Sashimono article if there is another article this is actually in conflict with. The word sashimono itself has both meanings. Dekimasu よ! 03:54, 21 January 2024 (UTC)