Talk:Saurer

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Unfortunatly my english is not very well. I have translatet all informations about saurer military vehicles from the german language version of wikipedia, i would be happy if someone is able to made  real english wikipedia articels of it. Thanks. Please see the german wikipges about it: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurer_Tartaruga http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurer_2DM http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurer_10DM http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurer_F006 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahkampfkanone_1 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahkampfkanone_2 and not military: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurer_3DUK-50

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Nahkampfkanone 1
Manufacturer = K + W Thun and Berna AG Olten The Nahkampfkanone 1 is developed in Switzerland armored vehicle, of which only a Prototype was performed. History and Development In the years 1943 and 1944 in Switzerland first experiences made ​​with the design and construction of our own armored vehicles. The melee cannon 1 was on a chassis of armored cars 39 (Panzerwagen39 = armored car 1939 type LTL-H CSSR armored fighting vehicles (38 t))., Which is extended by a roller, produced by the company Berna in Olten Since only a few parts were available, was partially resorted to Parts of armored cars 39, mainly in chassis and transmission.The vehicle was only a makeshift construction. The armor consisted of thin sheet metal and the construction was provisional. In initial experiments, a 75-millimeter cannon was installed for future experiments, a 10.5-cm howitzer. There is only 1 copy was built from 1944 to 1947 that was only for experimental use in the troops (M + number 7236). The vehicle is now in the tank museum Thun.
 * Crew = 5
 * Length = 6.46 m
 * Width = 2.60 m
 * Height = 2.50 m
 * Weight = 12,500 kg
 * Armor = 25 up to 40 mm
 * Main armament = 7.5 cm or 10.5 cm field howitzer howitzer 42
 * Secondary armament = None
 * Engine = 6 cylinder engine four-stroke Saurer CT1D
 * Power = 123 hp
 * Suspension = torsion bar
 * Top speed = 55 km / h on road, 25 km / h off road
 * Range = 200 km road, 120 km road

Nahkampfkanone 2
The Nahkampfkanone 2 is a country-road vehicle, similar to the German Tank Destroyer from the World War II. Construction The tub and the construction were from the Georg Fischer cast completely in armor steel. The construction of the chassis was in the Saurer in Arbon, the assembly of the chassis at the company Berna in Olten and the design and installation of the gun part of the K + W in Thun. Driver, commander and judges sat side left, right height Richter and loaders. There are four different types (A1, A2, B1, B2) were planned, but it was only made ​​one type of vehicle. The prototype did not reach the troops maturity. There were only made ​​driving tests in Thun. For the trip was the mouthpiece of the gun be removed. The development was stopped 1947th .It not have a tower, but a fixed structure and a very small swivel range of the gun. The cars had the M0216 numberplate had been used from 1946 to 1947 for testing in troop deployment. A vehicle is on display at Tank Museum in Thun
 * Manufacturer = K + W Thun & Saurer Arborn & Berna AG Olten
 * Crew = 5
 * Length = 5.24 m
 * Width = 2.85 m
 * Height = 2.15 m
 * Weight = 24,000 kg
 * Main armament = L/49 90mm Pak provides 45 rounds No secondary armament
 * Engine = 12 ° V90 cylinder four-stroke Saurer CV1DL
 * Power = 280 hp
 * Suspension leaf springs
 * Maximum speed 50km / h on road, 25km / h off road

Saurer Tartaruga
Main Features Saurer Tartaruga was a prototype armored personnel of Adolph Saurer AG. History and development Saurer Tartaruga was built in 1959. Together with the MOWAG pirate he was tested by the Swiss Army decided to go this but for the American M113. A prototype is now in the tank museum Thun.
 * crew = 12: driver, commander, gunner +9 Panzergrenadiere
 * length = 6,1 m
 * width = 2.9 m
 * height = 1.8 m
 * mass = 20000 kg
 * Saurer CH 5D V-8 cylinder diesel Displacement cm ³ 12670
 * top speed = 65 km / h on road
 * Power = 153 kW
 * range = 300 km (0.8 l / km)

Saurer 2DM


The Saurer 2 DMis a truck model, which established the Adolph Saurer AG from 1959. The payload of 4.9 tonnes, it is a right hand drive. The Swiss army he began in 1964, in several special types, such as dump trucks, snow plows or tanker aircraft. Almost identical to the model was 2VM of Berna. The 2DM was also sold for civilian purposes. References Kurt Sahli, Jo Wiedmer: Saurer vehicles past and present. Buri Bern, 1983. External links Commons: Saurer 2DM - collection of images, videos and audio filesSaurer 2DM

Saurer 10DM
The Saurer 10DM is the last heavy truck model, which was manufactured by Adolph Saurer AG. The name 10DM stands for 10 t payload. The three-axle vehicle has an output of 320 hp. The 6x6 drive formula is 6 of 6 existing driven wheels. His lighter "brother", the Saurer 6DM has. Corresponding to 2 axes (4-Wheel) at 6 tonne payload and 280 hp. The vehicles are equipped with six-cylinder Saurer engines and turbochargers, and are connected via a semi-automatic transmission. The models 6DM and 10DM were the first military vehicles of the Swiss Army, which went into operation with NATO structure. The most widespread are the 6DM and 10DM truck as flatbed truck for troops and supplies, but they also exist as firefighting tankers to the military airfields, as a crane truck, as well as Containerransporter for the operating components for TAFLIR (tactical aviator radar) also TAFLIR Radarantenen laid on 10DM trucks established.

Saurer F006
The Saurer F006 (also known as Saurer288) and F007 were, besides the by Adolph Saurer AG produced for the Swiss Army cross-country trucks and 6DM Saurer Saurer 10DM, the last vehicle designs of the company. History In the late 1970s the F006 from the truck manufacturer Saurer Arbon was intended as a successor to Jeep for the Swiss Army. In addition, the vehicle should also be made for fire departments as well as work vehicles of community structures, such as road maintenance operations, electricity and water utilities, forest rangers, etc. Selling to private users (like the Mercedes G) was not addressed, would have been likely, but Montiverdi had been on the Geneva Motor Show 1979 the public for the civilian version of its 260Z Military 230th Saurer F006 based on the Military. Of the 260Z they stayed on the three prototypes, which were listed in the Monteverdi Museum in Binningen. Technology It is the Saurer F006 to an off-road passenger vehicle with four-wheel drive. The concept was adopted by the automaker Monteverdi, with Berna further engineered and improved. Saurer took over the production. The axles are from IHC Scout (Jeep I scout from International Harvester). The vehicle had a plastic body made of polyester. As drive a 6-cylinder petrol engine from Volvo served with an automatic transmission. Maximum speed was 100 km / h in contrast for Mercedes G and Puch 230GE the front turn signals were mounted conventionally on the front of the vehicle (and not on the hood). The equipment installed in the front bumper parking lights can be turned with essays on Tarnlicht. The basic vehicle has a fixed open back cab. the loading / passenger seats are closed with a fast mountable / demountable plastic sheet at the rear with the military embodiment is a holder for a gas canister;. execution in the fire is a fixed structure provided. Saurer 1980, presented the F006 to 1982 and tested the War Technical Department of the Swiss Army, the F006 and appreciated the off-road capability. However, the Puch 230GE was procured. Without the order of the army was not economically viable production possible, and it remained in the 24 built prototypes, one of which remained in service until 1988, the company fire Saurer and was subsequently submitted to the oldtimer club Saurer. The remaining vehicles are privately owned. Saurer F007 Simultaneously with the Saurer Saurer F006 F007 was introduced in 1980 as a Pinzgauer High-Mobility All-Terrain Vehicle similar vices to the public. The F007 uses the same chassis and the same drive unit as the F006, however, unlike the F006 is not the cab behind the engine, but the engine compartment attached (as with many vans). It is therefore called a cab. The vehicle has unlike the F006 has three wiper instead of two and four headlights instead of two, and front parking lights and turn signals are housed in the same headlamp shell. The filler neck is on the left side immediately behind the driver's door, and not as in the F006 on the right side between the rear and the rear wheel. The vehicle has a fixed cab which is open to the rear. The cargo area, passenger space is covered with a plastic sheet, including two plastic windows on each side. Again, this was based on the concept of the cab-over model 260 F by Monteverdi. For the Swiss Army from 1982 SUVs were prepared for testing. Here, too, appreciated the army of the high-road tested prototypes, but bought no other vehicles. The existing Saurer F007 are now privately owned

Literature

 * Biegger Jürg: Swiss post buses in Transition 1906-2006, Publisher transport photo archive, CH-8610 Uster, ISBN 3-905170-29-9


 * Biegger Jürg: COE coaches in Switzerland, 1936-1976, published by Transport Photo Archive, CH-8610 Uster, ISBN 3-905170-37-X

Actual Military Saurer Trucks
Why are the Saurer trucks who are still in use in the swiss Army not on the main page? here on the Talk page are many interesting informations, who should get fixed  and then postet on the main page. Looking at this talk page I think on the main page is missing more than the half of Saurer's history & products.

Saurer MH4
The "Saurer MH4" was a military vehicle of the Swiss Army that was produced by the company Saurer and was used from 1945 to 1985 with the troops.

The M4,Saurer Factory designation 4MH, 4-wheeled vehicle, M and H for military version for rear engine was especially developed as a tow vehicle howitzers. The vehicle had permanent four-wheel drive, Kegelraddifferenziale front and rear. Many parts corresponded to the execution of the M6 ​​and M8. The engine was almost identical, but had two fewer cylinders. The model in 1946. Saurer CR1DM the proven engine, four-cylinder engine with 70 horsepower, the newer model 1952 CR2DM engine with 75 HP power All were equipped with M4 front winch, pulling 2500 kg, cable length 70 meters. Cable only forward possible. The model 1946, behind the cab side. Each 3 consecutive bucket seats, in the middle of room for ammunition, equipment and tools, tarpaulin roof on steel framework, open side The Model 1952 was. Between cab and engine loading ramp with a small folding side loading, front and back on that bridge ever a foldable bench for 4 persons capacity increased by around 600 kg to 2250 kg On Model 1952 also the fuel tank was arranged differently, the content increased from 70 to 100 liters. A new front fascia and a revised hood were also improvements of the model 1952nd The five-speed transmission remained unchanged, as is the steering. Since the engine was installed behind a relatively light steering and a good survey showed ahead. The close seating arrangement at 4MH was also by design. To achieve the lowest possible car silhouette, the seats were within - and not located on the wheel arches. Consequently, there was only space in center of the vehicle. . Stability in the area was compared with the M6 ​​and M8 Saurern, despite the almost identical central tube frame means substantially better. Regarding off-road capability, he stood by his multi-wheeled brothers M6 and M8 in nothing. While pulling heavy trailer loads in the grounds of the rear engine also played out his trump card.

Specifications

 * Length 5160 mm
 * Width 1950 mm
 * Height 2200 mm
 * Kerb weight 4290 kg
 * Payload 1500 kg
 * Total weight 5790 kg
 * Wheelbase 2900 mm
 * Motor Saurer, CR 1 DM 4-cylinder engine, four-stroke, direct injection
 * Displacement 5322 cc
 * Power 70 hp / 51.5 kW at 1900 r / min Maximum torque 290 Nm at 1200 r / min
 * Fuel tank capacity 70 liters, fill the vehicle's longitudinal axis in the material space, from left
 * Towing capacity 5900 kg
 * Top speed 70 km / h
 * Electrical system 24 volt 2 batteries, 12 volt 105 Ah
 * Seats Driver 1 1 Auxiliary Accessibility 6 man on the bridge

Source
Book: vehicles of the Swiss Army

Saurer gas vans at Chelmno
Should there nicht be a section on the gas vans made by Saurer and used at Chelmno to kill over 200 tausand peoples? Praxis49 (talk) 02:33, 16 March 2013 (UTC) 02:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. There is one sentence metioning this at present, so it needs expansion. In particular we need to know if Saurer knowingly built special trucks to murder people, or if the Nazis bought standard trucks and had them modified in Germany. --Ef80 (talk) 23:30, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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