Talk:Scandinavian Scotland

Rename: Norse Scotland?
Norse (rather than Scandinavian) seems to be the standard term in the literature. Note: the cat is called "Norse activity in Scotland". --Mais oui! (talk) 19:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I forgot to say: kudos! max! --Mais oui! (talk) 19:30, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I swithered over this. Norse implies historic in a way that Scandinavian doesn't, but two of the three most used texts were Crawford (1987) Scandinavian Scotland and Scandinavian Scotland - Twenty Years After. Also "Norse" is not entirely accurate as we are including individuals of Norse/Scandinavian descent. I do know about the cat and of course the cat police will eventually arrive and insist on changing it either way. I don't feel strongly about the article title. Also, thanks - and don't call me "Max"!  Ben   Mac  Dui  20:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Terrific work. Kudos MacD. Chienlit (talk) 19:27, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree and think it should be changed, it's a geographic term - Scandinavia - (which had no corresponding unifying political entity behind it) being applied to the term of an entire country - Scotland (which didn't exist yet) - and when only outlying islands of Scotland were actually settled. I think it's being used to push a "nordic" agenda in Scotland.

It would be akin to using the phrase "European Indonesia", to describe Portugal's occupation of East Timor, both terms are inapplicable! Norwegian Settlement in Scotland or Viking settlement in Scotland would suit far better. S.Staines (talk) 08:06, 26 May 2016 (UTC) S.Staines
 * ,, Correct observations. Formalised request forwarded below on this talk page. Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Tone
I've noticed that the use of conjunctions like however and whatnot is very frequent, which may come across as editorializing. Also, opinions need to be clearly stated as such and their holder(s) should be named. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:59, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Northumbria - Misunderstood
The sentence "Three years earlier Vikings had seized Northumbria, forming the Kingdom of York[142] and subsequently conquered much of England except for a reduced Kingdom of Wessex,[142] leaving the new combined Pictish and Gaelic kingdom almost encircled." is an interesting one since it repeats an assertion often made but not strictly true. The Danes seized only the southern half of what had been the English or 'Anglo-saxon' Kingdom of Northumbria. The northern half would become the kingdom of Lothian, which only much, much later became part of the Kingdom of Scotland. Exactly how this northern English kingdom survived cut off from its southern compatriots by the Danes is poorly documented.Its lasting long-term legacy however would be that English/Scots rather than Gaelic would eventually become the common language of Scotland. Cassandra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.2.181 (talk) 10:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting if true - a source that discusses this would be helpful. Ben   Mac  Dui  14:32, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Tone neutrality
Just a small comment, the beginning of the article really sounds like something written in a personal blog. Just sayin' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.159.153 (talk) 12:02, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 6 December 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 20:35, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Scandinavian Scotland → Norse Scotland – A formalised request as a result of the arguments discussed above on this talk page (repetition redundant). In summary: essentially a subset of Norse activity in the British Isles. Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. "Scandinavian Scotland" is the most common term used in reliable sources. To those that haven't read much on this subject: a quick search of the term on Google Books and Google Scholar should illustrate this.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:24, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Brianann MacAmhlaidh. Johnbod (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 18:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose Ignores the significant involvement of Danes and other Scandinavian groups. Mediatech492 (talk) 19:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


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