Talk:Scartho

Neutrality
As no-one has had the courtesy of why they think the neutrality of the article should be disputed I have deleted the tag.


 * Come on, this looks like it was written by a Scartho-based estate agent. Full of peacock terms and weasel words. No references. Tom Green (talk) 12:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, more work is needed to clean this article up. --BSTemple (talk) 17:51, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Scaffer?
I agree with the edit of biased material, but the inclusion of Scaffer must have a verifiable reference. I know this area and have never heard this term. Please, where possible back up such statements with references, or it will be removed.--BSTemple (talk) 16:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You know the area? Obviously not, virtually everyone within a 10-mile radius of Grimsby calls it 'Scaffer'. This is not the way 'Scartho' is prounounced in the local accent, it's more of a nickname. Tom Green (talk) 21:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * According to this the suburb is apparently pronounced "Scaffer". Shame we can't use it as a reference. TopDec (talk) 12:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It appears more to be a derogatory term, and yes that source is not suitable as a reference for the Wikipedia as anyone can say anything on it. --BSTemple (talk) 16:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I come from the neighbouring town of Cleethorpes, and would like to add that we always pronounced 'Scartho' as 'Scather', which rhymes with 'Scaffer', or 'borough'. Rightly or wrongly, we were frequently taught that this pronunciation comes from old Norse or Danish, where the 'o' would have been 'ø'. 'Scaffer' was regarded as the incorrect pronunciation of 'Scather' by an uneducated person.

I note that many people in recent years are favouring what was regarded as the 'snobbish' and wrong pronunciation, 'Scarthoe'. This was viewed as incorrect, and as the way in which visitors to the area would say the name. In that case and it immediately identified that person as an 'outener', or newcomer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by G0mrb (talk • contribs) 20:04, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * This is an interesting point and if quality references could be sought, it would be good to show the old Norse or Danish connection.--BSTemple (talk) 21:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that Scartho was in the Domesday book recorded as 'Scarhou' which doesn't create the vowel sound 'ah' as a suffix. It also doesn't create an 'oh' sound admittedly but more of an 'ouh'. Reference of this can be seen here on a reputable government website: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7585603&queryType=1&resultcount=1. Also if we look at the links from the Etymology section there was no use of the 'ø' character and is a portmanteau of the words Skarf and Haugr - also supported by a reputable university website. The village also had an 'e' on the end of it at one point - Scarthoe - which would ultimately support the pronunciation as Scartho and not Scaffer; but unfortunately can't back this up right now. Bretj89 (talk) 04:33, 9 October 2009 (UTC) BretJ89

If it helps a friend and I once had a chat with someone from Lincoln. I was talking about a village called 'Scar-tho' which my friend referred to 'Scaffer'. It was only later that my Lincoln friend confessed that he thought we were talking about two different places. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.64.26 (talk) 21:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

The reference to "Scaffer" is incorrect and is merely immature pronunciation. I have lived in or visited the area all of my life, and have never heard, say, Scartho Junior School or Scartho Road pronounced in this way. Z4ppp4 (talk) 17:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Myself and most of the local people I know call it "Scaffer" Junior School, "Scaffer" Road, near "Scaffer Baffs" and "Scaffer" Cemetary. It is true that it used to spelt "Scarthoe" before "Scartho" and this spelling was still prevalent in the late 1960s and early 1970s (sorry, no reference, only that when my mother started school in the early 70s it was still largely spelt that way). Furthermore, St Giles Church Hall, on the corner of Church Lane and Woodrow Park, shows this spelling on a plaque above the doorway. However, I have been unable to find a reference as to how old this building is. Therefore, it would seem that it was originally intended to be pronounced "Scarthoe".

AND WE ALL KNOW THIS. In the end, it doesn't matter if it is meant to be pronounced "Scarthoe", because if a large percentage of the village call it "Scaffer" (or rather "Scaffa", as I've always thought), nothing is going to change that, even if most of them know that. Now can you just amend the article so it says 'It has been a subject of some debate as to whether it is correct that some locals call the village "Scaffer"' and be done with it. Please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.90.186 (talk) 12:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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