Talk:Scottish devolution

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Hi. I started this article because there was no single article that brought together all the information about the campaigns and processes that eventually lead to Scottish devolution in 1999, and to the developments since. This should become a long article - please contribute if you can! Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 13:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Radical War?, John MacLean?
Does the Radical War of 1820 not deserve a mention? And how about John Maclean (politician)? Or Cunninghame Graham and Keir Hardie and the first Scottish Parliamentary Labour Party of the late 19th century?--Mais oui! (talk) 21:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Loads of things deserve a mention - I haven't had time to do more than I've done so far, but I'd like to see the article expanded to include all the things you mention, plus more! Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 21:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You have done an excellent job. I do not feel well enough qualified/briefed to write a competent piece of prose about the particular home rule elements of 1820, MacLean, Hardie or Cunningham Graham.--Mais oui! (talk) 21:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I'll try to improve the article as and when I get opportunity and I'll certainly try to include any suggestions you make. Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 22:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Another one for the cooking pot: Declaration of Perth.--Mais oui! (talk) 22:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Scottish Assembly
The article Scottish Assembly has quite a bit of material on the history of devolution that might be better here, allowing that article to serve as a description of the actual model. (From recollection one of the big issues in the 1979 referendum was the actual model on offer, with some like Lord Home advocating "vote No to this model so we can get a better one later".) Timrollpickering (talk) 22:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree - there is a need for an article about the Scottish Assembly that was proposed in the 1970s, but 'backgound information' would be more appropriate in this article. cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 22:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That article is unreferenced and short. It is far better to have one substantial, referenced piece that two scrappy ones. The details of the 1979 scheme rightly belong at the 79 referendum article. The differences between the failed 79 scheme and the SP as it now exists are profound and fascinating. Lord Home (and others?) were maybe right: a better model did come along later! Although the 79 model could well have evolved anyway, if it had been implemented. We will never know.--Mais oui! (talk) 22:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would be against a merger of the two articles as I see a need for both - a main one that outlines the history of devolution from the campaigns to the reality, and a short one to deal with the specifics of the proposal on offer in 1979. Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge. While I see Fishiehelper's point, the separate article's title is also misleading - it implies there was an actual assembly. Better that this is placed in the context of the devolution history. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Hansard - Scottish Home Rule Bill 1913
For the failed Government of Scotland Bill 1913, commonly referred to as the Scottish Home Rule Bill, see:

--Mais oui! (talk) 08:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hansard: http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/bills/scottish-home-rule-bill
 * New York Times: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D03E6DA143FE633A25752C3A9639C946296D6CF
 * Rampant Scotland: http://www.rampantscotland.com/features/parliamentc.htm
 * Scottish Politics: "Scottish Home Rule bill fails to make committee stage. A further five bills also fail." - http://www.alba.org.uk/timeline/1832to1918.html

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Out of date
Details from Edinburgh Agreement (2012) and Scottish independence referendum, 2014 need to be incorporated into this article. 72.244.206.10 (talk) 22:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Government of Scotland Bill 1913
So, after WW I ended in 1918, what happened this Bill? This article says nothing about it. 188.141.23.18 (talk) 22:00, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * In terms of its progress through Parliament, it disappeared after the 1914–18 war started. In terms of why it wasn't resurrected, events elsewhere overtook it. The biggest problem was the change of situation in Ireland, which became much more radical during the war. Scottish home rule had been part of a "home rule all round" policy of Asquith, where each of the Home Nations would have control of domestic matters while the "Imperial Parliament" (Westminster) would control foreign, empire and defence policy. Ireland rejected the Irish nationalists, who had supported the home rule policy, in favour of republicanism in 1918. After their electoral victory the republicans unilaterally declared independence, this led to the Irish War of Independence and the Anglo-Irish Treaty that established Ireland as a separate state. There was not a strong Scottish home rule movement at the time (some Labour MPs supported it, but they were in a small minority then) and it was pretty much forgotten about. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Carlisle principle
The article Carlisle principle has been proposed for deletion, which is probably sensible, but this catchphrase should be recorded somewhere in Wikipedia, as it had considerable traction in the news coverage of devolution, albeit briefly. Maybe someone who is familiar with Wikipedia's coverage of devolution / independence could check it out and see if the information can be incorporated either here or on other related articles. Then the deletion can proceed uncontrovertially. Thanks. --Doric Loon (talk) 17:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposed move from History of Scottish devolution to Scottish devolution
I have made a technical move request to Scottish devolution because this page discusses proposed future devolution (not just history). This would also make the title more relevant to further contributions about proposed further devolution, opinion polling etc. similar to the page Welsh devolution and would maintain consistency to both devolution page names.Titus Gold (talk) 22:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)