Talk:Second New England School

What about the First New England School? Who are the Boston 6?
I've just had a couple of thoughts about obvious points missing in this article, but don't know enough to fill them in myself:

1. If this is the *Second* New England School, who and when were the First? Or if there wasn't a First, but there's an odd reason this one is called the Second, then this needs explaining.

2. Who were the Boston Six mentioned near the beginning? The article later names more than six composers mentioned as possibly belonging to the group, so it's impossible to tell which ones were the Boston Six.

If anyone knows the answers to these questions, could they please consider adding them to the article? Thanks. M.J.E. (talk) 16:09, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * -- I hope that my edit has addressed these concerns. Kalimac (talk) 09:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Pupils vs. students
I suggest that as in some other articles, "pupils" may have more an academic connotation, as in students at a university, and for musicians, "students" may mean direct one-to-one students, or students at a Conservatory or, say, the Julliard School. So Henry F. Gilbert was a student of MacDowell at New England Conservatory. Charles Ives studied under Horatio Parker at a university but his senior thesis was composing his first symphony, so I'd use "student" there too. Macmarl (talk) 21:54, 13 April 2016 (UTC) Macmarl (talk) 21:54, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Actually I think "pupil" is hardly used any more except maybe for students under age 10? Macmarl (talk) 23:46, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Balance of the First and Second New England Schools
I'm not an expert on this topic, so I haven't edited the article, but I wanted to mention that it seems a little bit unbalanced. Although the article is about the Second New England School, it goes into more detail about the people who influenced them (Billings and Mason) than it does about the six composers who are considered to be members of this group. There's nothing wrong with talking about their influences, but it seems like the balance isn't right. Perhaps an expert on this period could add a bit more about the six composers themselves. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.173.236 (talk) 17:54, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


 * That seems a reasonable objection. The material should be re-organized.  Zaslav (talk) 09:41, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Billings' tune-books
The article says "his two tune-books." The William Billings article lists six tune-books. Something's amiss! Anyway, this mostly belongs in a "First New England School" article, or this article should be renamed. I hope someone with enough knowledge can make an appropriate fix. Zaslav (talk) 09:44, 28 December 2019 (UTC)