Talk:Second tithe

Academic material in an article on a religious practice
I remind users that this article is on a Jewish religious subject and describes a contemporary Jewish religious practice. Although the practice has biblical origins and historical context is appropriate, the article focuses on the practices of contemporary Jews, If users wish to add contemporary academic views of the historical origins of the practice, how it was practiced in ancient times, or contemporary critical analyes of the relevant biblical texts, they are welcome. However, religious and academic views need to be in separate sections and clearly labeled so readers can understand whose view is what. I would urge the addition of a separate section on e.g. "Biblical criticism perspectives", "Historical Scholarship", or a similar title.

Blatant POV pushing -- unsourced characterization of Jewish religious beliefs as "folklore", citing Biblical references based on the system of the Documentary Hypothesis rather than the standard chapter-and-verse citation system, presenting academic views in sections labeled as presenting traditional religious beliefs (or characterizing religious beliefs as false in those sections), etc. violates WP:NPOV and will be handled accordingly.

Finally, careful attention to sourcing is essential to resolving disputes. Best, --Shirahadasha 22:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Use of 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia material
Hi! User:FDuffy, the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia largely preceeded the wave of immigration to the land of Israel and the resulting contemporary religious decision-making about the implementation of the religious principles involved in contemporary agriculture. As a result, it incorrectly portrays the tithes involved as a purely ancient rather than a contemporary practice. I don't object to including a lot of this material -- I can sort it out myself when I come back from Wikibreak -- but some of this material is simply so dated that it needs to be presented as a POV rather than fact. Finally, I strongly object to presenting as fact the claim that belief in tithing represents nothing more than "folklore" or "aggadah" in Judaism. The 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia generally represents the views of classical (and often dated) Reform Judaism and its views of what are and aren't core Jewish tenets reflects this perspective. This view can be presented, it simply can't be presented as fact, or as contermporary Jewish opinion (it isn't a reliable source for the status a tenet has in any Jewish denomination today, particularly on matters pertaining to the land of Israel and Jews' relationship to it.) Classical Jewish commentators, and contemporary traditional Jewish views, take the prophecy of Malachi in this regard quite seriously and regard it as meaning business:


 * Bring ye the whole tithe into the store-house, that there may be food in My house, and try Me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall be more than sufficiency. Malachi 3:10

Best, --Shirahadasha 22:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

User:FDuffy Edits
I had added almost all your material back in, in an identified section. Reverting back was particularly inappropriate in light of this. I originally reverted these edits because all existing well-sourced material representing a POV different from yours was erased. If you erase existing material in this manner, you can be reverted without attempting to re-add your material back in. Best, --Shirahadasha 02:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved by silent consensus.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 21:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Maaser Sheni → second tithe – WP:EN per WP:RS. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
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