Talk:Senses Fail

New Album Progressive?
After listening to Life is not a waiting room, and hearing from a review on sputnik music - apparently the album is a concept album about the narrator is starting to feel older and how he doesn't know where he's going to go from where he is now. - He supposedly crashes his car (hence the progressive repetition of the lyric "wake up your sleeping behind the wheel) which is featured on 2 tracks I'm currently looking for a reliable enough source to confirm please post comments, cheers --Casket56 (talk) 21:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Band Photo
Can we get a band photo on here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.107.190 (talk) 08:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Third Album?
As far as I am aware of, From The Depths Of Dreams was an EP, so this new album will be their second feature-length album not their third.

Thanks - Welshy 03:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

That is correct. Though the bandmembers (and a lot of the more rabid fans) do unofficially consider From the Depths of Dreams to be their first album, since it was technically an EP, it's not officially considered as such. Trigear 07:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Heath
Isn't Heath a full-time member now? He recorded Still Searching with them. --Atticus2020 07:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics sites
I'm removing the links to lyrics sites. They don't need to be there. Most anyone can use Google to look for lyrics. Lunis Neko 02:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

History section
It is pretty clear that the history section is copyrighted material reproduced from somewhere. We can't have that.If no one changes it, I will do a new section myself.--Wehwalt 20:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No takers? I've restored the former History section and have updated it.--Wehwalt 16:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Garbage edits
This article seems to be attracting a lot of garbage edits. SF does not have a fan club that travels with the band. Or even one that doesn't travel with the band.--Wehwalt 22:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, i was wondering what the actual record sales for the albums are, does anyone have a source with the actual statistics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xeurasianboyx (talk • contribs) 04:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Too many genres
This band has a lot of different styles so how about we just place them under post-hardcore because they fit under the definition provided. Gellister 21:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, maybe. There's nothing wrong w/ having a lot of musical styles, so that doesn't mean we should generalize it, unless if it's just one song from a genre. icelandic hur ric ane #12 (talk) 03:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm just saying there are four up there right now. It might make some believe they don't have a consistent style. Gellister 20:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

They just have differing styles. When you think about it, their style isn't that consistent when you look at it across the board. I think it's perfectly fine the way it is. Zeppelin462 21:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Emo Screamo
Senses Fail are not emo or screamo. It would be much more accurate to label them pop punk/post-hardcore, or at least alternative. FatalError 23:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Senses Fail are emo and screamo. If you ACTUALLY LISTENED to their music you would know.

Dude, no they're not. It sounds like you need to read the entry for emo.

alternative rock is instead of rock 'N roll, its slower and quieter, and senses fail are definately not alternative rock. Jimmy Eat World Sunny Day Real Estate Fugazi Snow patrol and Kill hannah all are however. I suppose that if Hawthorne Heights can be considered screamo among their genres, then senses fail probaly can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.65.47 (talk) 16:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Read the articles for the genres. There is NOTHING that connects them to Senses Fail. Senses Fail is not emotionally charged hardcore punk. It's pop punk with screaming. And just because it has screaming doesn't mean it's screamo. Hawthorne Heights is not screamo either. Saetia is screamo. Rites of Spring is emo. Senses Fail is not either one. And don't accuse me of not listening to them, I used to, otherwise I wouldn't be reading the article. FatalError (talk) 20:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Well as far as I see it, no one really wants any modern band to be labbeled emo and does their best to get it taken off

loveyourfaithLoveyourfaith (talk) 13:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with FatalError, any source that claims SF as screamo is more than obvious NOT reliable --Sheish 6 Sheish 02:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheish (talk • contribs)

any source that claims senses fail to be emo or screamo is NOT a reliable source for their obvious lack of musical knowledge, i suggest to take out the genere emo out of the genere box--189.164.160.109 (talk) 05:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The source used in the infobox did not actually state that Senses Fail is "emo" so I removed it. Fezmar9 (talk) 06:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Genres
Please, everyone, stop changing the genres around. We need to keep it consistent. One day it says Emo and Screamo, the next, Rock and Post-Hardcore. Emo and Post-Hardcore fit all of their music well, so let's just stick with that. If anyone has any thoughts on this, please talk about it here and we'll try to get a general consensus. Zeppelin462 14:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Since the band is not a part of the Screamo genre, I'm going to edit the article and remove screamo. They're not emo, either, but I'll leave that as I see no reason it can't be used as an adjective to describe their style of Post-Hardcore. Polefar 19:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about Emo but I won't remove it. I'm also not too sure about Pop punk...everything these days seems to be labelled as Pop punk, I'm, not sure it really describes Senses Fail that well. Post-hardcore, Rock and Screamo fit it well I think. Zylo1994 (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Bastard Son
Bastard son was not a B-Side from Let it Enfold You. It was recorded before the release of From the Depths of Dreams, but their record company said they could only have 6 songs on the EP, so it didn't make the album.

Rating
We could really use a rating for this article. If anyone is willing to give it one, that would be great.

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History. What is true?
In the history section it says that 'The history of Senses Fail starts with the guitar player, Garrett Zablocki, posting an advertisement on the Internet'. However on Buddy Nielsen's page it says he was the one who started posted the ad and therefore started the band. What is the real story? I did some searching of my own and the Buddy version seems to be the most popular. But I don't know.Halfpast6 07:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok I'm gonna change it to the Buddy Nielsen version. Halfpast6 09:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Guitar Hero III
Is there a source that Can't be Saved is the song in GH3? Darth Zantetsuken ( Grovel/Beg/Praise ) 23:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you might find this article useful. FatalError (talk) 06:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Genres (again)
Okay kids, it's time to stop arguing over the genres and start finding reliable sources to prove them. I found two already, if anyone has any more, feel free to add them. In the meant time, don't add genres unless you have sources to back them up. Thank you. — Fatal Error  18:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Trivia section
I am moving it here in case anyone wants to add any information from the section to the page (that does not include completely re-adding the entire section). See Trivia sections for more information. Fezmar9 (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The band is mentioned in MC Lars's song "Signing Emo."
 * The title of the song "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" is a reference to the title of an episode from the first season of Lost.
 * The song and album "Let It Enfold You" is named after a poem by Charles Bukowski.
 * The song "Institutionalized" is featured in the video games Tony Hawk's American Wasteland. It is a cover of the 1983 hit originally sung by Suicidal Tendencies.
 * Contrary to popular belief, the song "Rum is for Drinking, Not For Burning" is not a quote from, nor a reference to the movie Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl. Buddy claimed at an acoustic performance in Warped Tour 2006 that it is a reference to his grandfather, who had a wooden leg, hence the pirate comparisons.
 * A poster of "Let It Enfold You's" CD cover can be seen in an episode of House
 * A poster of "Let It Enfold You's" CD cover can be seen inTransformers.
 * A poster of "Still Searching's" CD cover can be seen in License to Wed.
 * A poster of "Senses Fail" can be seen in Al Holden's room in an episode of One Life to Live.
 * A dance version of "Buried A Lie" is featured in Dance Dance Revolution: Hottest Party for the Wii console.
 * The song "Calling All Cars" can be heard in a Spanish advertisement.
 * The song "Calling All Cars" is featured in Burnout Dominator and Burnout Paradise.
 * The song "Can't Be Saved" is featured in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock as a bonus track.
 * The song "Bloody Romance" is featured in Sammy Sosa's High Heat Baseball.
 * The song "Wolves at the Door" is featured in Madden 09


 * None of these things are worth retaining int he article. As for Buddy's comments re wooden leg, Buddy says a lot of things on stage which should be taken with a grain of salt.  Like thanking MLB for sponsoring the Vagrant stage on Warped Tour and for being the official provider of drugs on the tour.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Some discographies have a table listing songs featured in other forms of media (soundtracks, movies, etc.), other than that I would say this is a list of useless information. There seemed to be a small edit war starting, so I figured it would be best to move the information here and discuss. Fezmar9 (talk) 13:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Genre Discussion: Emo
So I am going to go and intelligently discuss the matter of the band's genre. Obviously, as I can gather, it is hotly debated amongst editors. Nonetheless, I looked into the reference for Emo (Punknews.org.) While I may consider the band emo myself, the reference is written poorly and unprofessionally by an author who seems to have the integrity of a high school junior from an unrespected internet source which I would hardly classify as legitimate "news." Thus, unless there is significant appeal, I will soon remove "Emo" from the list of the band's genres. Please leave comments only if constructive. Daniel Musto (talk) 23:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that this was poorly written and should be removed. Fezmar9 (talk) 04:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Doesn't seem badly written to me but the source seems to be broken now.71.179.18.152 (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Removal: Removed "Emo" from the lists of genres on November 30th. For anyone who feels that it ought to be included, please discuss it here before beginning an Edit War on the Wikipage. Daniel Musto (talk) 21:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Senses Fail are kinda known for having the emo genre tied to their music, very much, actually, as they are mentioned to be an emo band from even seen in an issue of The Rolling Stone and EGM, as well as websites such as allmusic. GunMetal Angel


 * The whole concept of emo is stupid, its not that important to be a genre, as long as things like post hardcore are there, its fine. --Casket56 (talk) 04:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Response: I understand they are often labeled as "emo," however, the above user is right, post-hardcore covers it quite nicely. If you want to change the genres as you said in your statement, you're going to have to create actual references for the magazine(s). For all we know, you could be making that up. Daniel Musto (talk) 16:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It amazes me how many editors edit based on their personal opinions regarding genres. I only looked briefly, but just googling the band it would appear there are several reliable sources which label the band emo. Rolling Stone passes WP:RS with flying colors, and the above editor said they call them an emo band. As long as the genre is verifiable by reliable sources it can be added, see WP:V. None of our opinions matter, only the opinions of reliable sources. Landon1980 (talk) 16:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And if you are going to merely cover all the genres with one, the correct term would be rock, or punk rock. I wish they would do away with genres altogether on here, too many fanboys edit war over them. It should be a rule to just put one general genre that covers everything, such as 'rock'. Until then emo can be added as long as a reliable source can be found. Policy trumps consensus every time. Landon1980 (talk) 16:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)       Rolling Stone The Rolling Stone, and NY times alone is enough to add emo to the infobox, there are literally dozens of sources that call this band emo. Landon1980 (talk) 17:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Although a fan, I have no problem the page listing them as emo. However, the single, solitary source that was there last time was from a rather pathetic punk rock fan review site. I have absolutely no problem with the credible sources mentioned above, I am just very anal-retentive about citations. Thus, ruling stands and very unlikely to be changed. Also, there is simply no need for attacking people on the site Landon. Please refrain from being hostile, we're all here to make a better encyclopedia. Daniel Musto (talk) 07:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I was not hostile with anyone. I attacked no one, my comment was not uncivil in the least. I was speaking to everyone on the talk page, the ones of you mentioning your opinions. If you find someone quoting poilcy an attack or hostile that is not my problem. Please try and assume good faith, and do not misuse civility warnings in the future. Landon1980 (talk) 15:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Reversed: Final Ruling: Since users have identified actual credible sources, all users: Please do not remove "Emo" from the list of genres for the band. This should end all discussion on the matter. Daniel Musto (talk) 07:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed, The band fits under "emo" they do not exactly dress emo but the lyrics and things like that go under the emo status --Casket56 (talk) 08:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It does not matter how they dress, or what the lyrics sound like. I realize you agree with the addition, but I've been trying to explain this to you and you delete my comments and don't respond. All that matters is that reliable sources say this band is emo, wikipedia has nothing to do with the "truth," only verifiability. As long as it is verifiable it can be added, that is how it works. I see Daniel has reversed his "final ruling," whatever that is, I guess he means consensus. Frankly consensus plays no part in policy, policy will trump consensus every single time. I don't appreciate being called hostile, etc., when all I'm doing is trying to explain policy on the talk page. My comments were directed to everyone, not a single person. Even if they would have been a direct statement to a single editor they were not uncivil in the least. I'm anticipating IP's/new editors, etc. disputing the EMO tag based on their personal opinion of the band. I just want to make it clear how things work around here. Landon1980 (talk) 17:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed --Br00talelectro (talk) 07:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

"heavy metal" should replace "pop-punk"
Hello? What is it about their music that makes them "poppy"/"punky"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.60.80.54 (talk) 02:10, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

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