Talk:Servant of the servants of God

POV rant
Wouldn't it have been an interesting POD if Communism had been built (or internally overthrown) from a catholic underpinning/reformation? Likely this sort of stuff would be in the mantra(s). Guess we'll never know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.89.165 (talk) 19:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Biblical background of the title
I have added the "Biblical backround" for this papal title. If it is possible, it would be good to have a reference to support the fact that the papacy adopts this title with a scriptural mindset. Please feel free to rephrase or correct the sentencing of this newly added section and maybe one with better skill can incorporate the bible quotes better than what has already been done. User:DYBoulet July 17 2007 4:33 PM (AST)

Stylistic issue
This article is inconsistent in capitalizing the terms “pope/Pope” and “papal/Papal.” The terms are capitalized in the first two sections, and then lowercased in the third section. In any case, most of it is wrong. The rule in English is as given in the latest (42nd) edition of the Associated Press Stylebook (c. 2007): POPE – Capitalize when used as a formal title before a name; lowercase in all other uses: “Pope Paul spoke to the crowd. At the close of his address, the pope gave his blessing.” I suggest the author change accordingly, I would prefer not to do it without presenting the rationale.

Billcito (talk) 06:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:CAPS?
Caps need fixing? Also has this title been tested according to WP:UE v. Google Scholar/Books to establish that English is not "commonly used"? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:29, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:51, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Servus Servorum Dei → servant of the servants of God – per WP:article titles. Google Books shows to be "commonly used" (WP:UE) in Google Books for popes after Gregory in English sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Support I get 2,890 post-1980 English-language Google Book results for "Servus servorum Dei," so this is a reasonably well-establish English-language phrase. Catholic Encyclopedia has an entry for it. Of course, "servorum" should be lower cased. Kauffner (talk) 11:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The 2,980 above forgot to select English and therefore exclude all Google Books' Latin and German texts. With English selected I got 3,010x for English variant vs 1,910x for Latin variant in post 1980 English texts.In ictu oculi (talk) 14:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll have to backpeddle here. If you don't specify English, the Latin phrase gets almost 10,000 hits. So, yes, I did specify English. I was certainly aware earlier that the English version Googled up more hits, but it didn't look like they were necessarily referring to the papal title. So I have created a new search to address that issue. I get 1,430 post-1980 English-language Google Book results for pope "Servus servorum Dei", 2,890 for pope "servant of the servants of God". On Google News, it's 22 to 70. Almost every source translates the Latin, which suggests that the phrase is not a true English-language usage. Kauffner (talk) 11:11, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support until I see accurate evidence in favour of retaining the existing title. Two well-constructed Googlebook searches (both with restrictions "Books›Jan 1, 1980–Dec 9, 2011›"):
 * "'servant of the servants of God is': 25 hits"
 * "'Servus Servorum Dei is': 9 hits"
 * N oetica Tea? 03:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
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