Talk:Seth MacFarlane/Archive 2

Plagiarism
www.answers.com/topic/seth-macfarlane

Is a complete plagiarism of this page!!!
 * Under this, they can. Wikipedia does not own the text to articles.  Real96  09:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Robot Chicken Star Wars Special
Seth did the voice of the Emperor in this show. It was REALLY funny, but also a noteable appearance, should it be added somewhere? --Scottymoze 21:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. Cite it first, through via verify possible facts regarding a living person.  Mi r a n da  13:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * his IMDB has reference to the Star Wars Robot Chicken voice...here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0532235/ can someone put that in? i always have trouble with the citings...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottymoze (talk • contribs) 23:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this should summarize his appearance in RC, he has also voiced various characters on Adult Swim's Robot Chicken, including a parody of Lion-O. We don't want to make this into a trivia related article. M. (er) 23:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Bit of re-wording needed...?
So, I'm thinking, "Incidentally, astute viewers will note that Tom Tucker's voice is almost exactly the same, only the cadence is different, as the character is a news anchor." needs re-wording to some extent. I.e., - 1) It makes an assumption about the "astutiveness" (if such an abstract quality exists) of TV viewers. 2) It currently reads as if the cadence of the character's voice is somehow bound to be different on the grounds of the character's occupation. Should I (or someone who gives even more of a damn)re-write this? PedantKing 19:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure! Knock yourself out! I wish...I wish we had a better picture of him though. Maybe a gutsy Wikipedian will go to the Comic-Con convention on the 28th or the 29th in San Diego in order to capture a picture of him script reading, drinking alcohol, etc. release it as a free-photo and upload it to Commons.   Mi r a n da   21:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Refs need cleaning up.
The references need cleaning up. There are also interviews on the internet on his life, but we need to make sure that they are in compliance with WP:BLP.  Mi r a n <font color="#084C9E">da  23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture.
Its a shitty picture. Can we get a better one ????

Best wishes.

219.89.103.84 07:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can take one of him and release it under Creative Commons licensing (i.e. CC-BY or CC-BY-SA). No copyrighted pictures will be accepted.  <font color="#084C9E">Mi <font color="#4682b4">r <font color="#6495ED">a <font color="#4682b4">n <font color="#084C9E">da  04:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A better picture will be available tomorrow.  <font color="#084C9E">Mi <font color="#4682b4">r <font color="#6495ED">a <font color="#4682b4">n <font color="#084C9E">da  06:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Pic added. <font face="georgia" color="#084C9E">M. <font face="georgia" color="#4682b4">(er) 23:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Could we at least crop the current picture so you don't see his legs and the garbage can on the floor behind him?? --158.83.218.213 (talk) 19:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

No, not really. It's better than the picture that I previously negotiated for this article. <b style="color:green; font-family:georgia;">Miranda</b> 19:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Repeating phrase
I count 13 times "9/11", maybe that is a bit off topic? 83.254.213.190 00:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe this is due to 9/11 being a major event for Mr. MacFarlane? He almost was on the plane which hit the Twin Towers. The influence from that incident can be seen with examples from the show. Miranda 10:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe it should be tested in the living persons biography guidelines? This isn't blogspot.Coloneldoctor (talk) 21:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It does fit the guidelines of BLP.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  23:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't see how its relevant. Almost *one third* of the article is about 9/11 in Family Guy, not Seth MacFarlane himself. In his own words, the experience "hasn't really affected me as maybe it could have," so I don't think it was a major occurrence for him, or at least not as major as the article seems to make out - something taking up a third of his entire entry! Also, is almost getting on a plane really a bigger life influence than actually being near Ground Zero at the time of the collapse of the towers, as tens of thousands were? While its an interesting anecdote, I think it's worth a sentence at most. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.124.250 (talk • contribs) I agree with the two anonymous users: the long list of examples of 9/11 references to Family Guy are better suited for the Family Guy article, not on a biographical article that is only tangentially related. McFarlane isn't the sole writer of the show (I'm pretty sure), and even if he solely wrote the show, the controversy is again for the Family GUy article. hbdragon88 (talk) 08:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with you Hbdragon. I think it should focus on Mr. MacFarlane's experience with 9/11, not FG's influence. Make it short and sweet. <b style="color:green; font-family:georgia;">Miranda</b> 10:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The section is below. <b style="color:green; font-family:georgia;">Miranda</b> 16:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC) Family Guy

Examples in Family Guy
Osama bin Laden was featured in an episode of Family Guy, which aired more than a year before the 9/11 attacks. In a later interview for Maxim magazine, MacFarlane said that 9/11 would never be used as material for humor on Family Guy due to the experience. However, in the episode PTV, the episode begins with a mock of Osama bin Laden making a video message to America. In the episode, bin Laden does not mention 9/11, but instead a threat to America which is then mocked with "bloopers" and bin Laden making light of the situation, before being attacked by Stewie. However, the first gag to blatantly reference 9/11 was in the episode Airport '07; Quagmire crash lands a plane and then Mayor West is informed while reading My Pet Goat to school children, an obvious reference to when U.S. President George W. Bush was informed of the 9/11 attacks. Two episodes later, in "No Meals on Wheels", 9/11 was mentioned again when Peter's restaurant couldn't air its "Sixth Sense"-themed commercial because the director was involved with 9/11. Then in the season 5 episode It Takes a Village Idiot, and I Married One, Lois responds to all the questions she receives on her mayoral campaign by saying, "9/11". In the Family Guy episode Boys Do Cry, Brian and Stewie (both played by MacFarlane) leave a rural gas station while chuckling and mimicking a Middle-Eastern clerk; Stewie then remarks "If it weren't for 9/11, those guys would be adorable." In an even more recent episode, Meet The Quagmires, Brian travels back in time to the 1980s. A man challenges Brian to a fight, and 9/11 is mentioned once more when Brian tells the man to meet him for a fight in the World Trade Center at the exact time the attacks occurred (this scene is only shown on the Cartoon Network/Adult Swim airings, not on Fox). As well as in season five, episode No Chris Left Behind, 9/11 is brought up when Chris Griffin is kidnapped by his grandfather to join the Skull and Bones Society in order to make Chris more popular in his new school. After offering Chris to become a member, his grandfather remarks, “You’ll get your own stock portfolio, a percentage of the 9/11 victims fund and the best medical care on the planet..” In a season 6 episode, Padre de Familia, Brian and Peter argue about 9/11 and how it changed everything because of 9/11 paranoia. Brian also says that Peter didn't even know what 9/11 was until 2004.

Cleanup and improvement
I cleaned up the article a bit. Sections 2 (2.1-2.3), 3, and 4 need reliable sources per WP:BLP. <b style="color:green; font-family:georgia;">Miranda</b> 20:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I cleaned the whole article up. <b style="color:green; font-family:georgia;">Miranda</b> 18:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Great job. the article looks great. --<font color="#339966">Dan Leveille <font color="#77BB99">TALK 09:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   12:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Extraneous Information
".[3] He said his views were influenced by his gay cousin.[3] A family member had mentioned, "maybe there is a way [his cousin] can be cured". Angered, MacFarlane stated about the situation, "[that it is] fucking horrifying to hear [that] from someone [he] love[s]".[3] This is Wikiganda. Statement about MacFarlane's pro-gay beliefs is enough. Possible acceptance of his cousin's influence, but the rest is either a political or personal statement. Amended.Coloneldoctor (talk) 17:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually think it's a fine illustration. Drone2Gather (talk) 06:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

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Excellent article! Just a few small concerns and this can earn its GA status.
 * 1) The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Specifically, it much touch upon all major points/headings in the article, which I do not feel that it does adequate justice to for an article of this size. A reader should be able to walk away from the lead with a basic idea of the article, without the specific details and formal flow of an actual article. The lead sort of touches on everything, but not enough for a read who only reads the lead to explain to someone else who Seth MacFarlane is. Obviously this sounds a little silly, since it's not too likely that someone is just going to read the lead, but it does need to be beefed up a bit.
 * ✅ I think we have a proper lede now. / edg ☺ ☭ 08:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) The first paragraph of "Science fiction and political donations" is very choppy, perhaps because it reads like a list of unassociated facts with little flow, or perhaps because his last name is used three times in as many sentences without a pronoun. In any case, the flow of that paragraph needs a little improvement.
 * ✅  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   03:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Because the last paragraph of "Speaking engagements" is only two sentences long, I can't tell if the end is too sudden or if the two sentence paragraph chops it up. I don't feel that it connects well with anything; it's rather stranded there in its current state and reads very awkwardly... I'm not sure if I could even tell you what to do with it though, so I won't hold it against you, but it's something to think about if you're going for FA.
 * This can make featured? Hmm... m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   08:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well eventually if enough work was put into it. What I meant is that the subject of the article has the potential to make it. Cheers, CP 19:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Ref #9 and #56 are broken
 * ✅  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   03:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm not certain that Ref #29 can be used as a reference, not because it's not reliable, but more because of copyright issues with the video per WP:YOUTUBE? Same with Ref #31.
 * ✅ I replaced the refs.  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   07:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Ref #43 doesn't appear to be formatted correctly
 * ✅  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   03:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise, this is one of the best articles I've reviewed! I am putting the article on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which it may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 02:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed concerns #2, #4, #6. Someone should test the audiolinks from archived Planet Family Guy. I'm on dialup and can only confirm stuff starts downloading. / edg ☺ ☭ 03:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Annie Award link works.  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   03:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, my mistake. The Planet Family Guy archive link is this one. / edg ☺ ☭ 03:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it works. Use this for the interview (Real Player).  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   03:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For #3, I merged the sentences (one to the early life and the other to the personal life). Also, I fixed the lead a little, for #1.  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   04:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Ending
One way to make the ending less choppy would be to move Speaking engagements to above Personal life. This might mean crowding the images, since the Star Wars convention pic looks too weirdly somber to hang next to the 9/11 story. Bad idea or okay idea? Are there other plans for this section? / edg ☺ ☭ 09:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I kind of like the article's layout right now. Because, I like the pics not crowding each other (this would be an issue if the section were moved). Also, the "Personal Life" section opens the doors to what MacFarlane does when he's not at work. Plus, CP said that this was not an issue.  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   09:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. I think I'm done. / edg ☺ ☭ 09:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice and fast work - and I even liked the ending more than I did the first time around. Anyhow, I shall now pass this as a Good Article. Congratulations, and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 19:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What a nice start to the New Year!  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   20:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Seth MacFarlane
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Political donations?
What does the strike have to do with the Political Donations heading?! 68.84.224.36 (talk) 23:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Changed to political beliefs.  <font color="#960018">m <font color="#E75480">ir <font color="#F6ADC6">a <font color="#E75480">nd <font color="#960018">a  23:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Er, it's a contract dispute, not a political question at all. 68.84.224.36 (talk) 01:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Politics play a good role in disputes.  <font color="#960018">m <font color="#E75480">ir <font color="#F6ADC6">a <font color="#E75480">nd <font color="#960018">a  01:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * In contract negotiations, politics may indeed play a part. One might not contract with someone who can bring a great deal of profit because one disagrees with that man's politics. In the "Writers' Strike" mess, politics was really not a major factor across the board. Some people were unhappy with the terms of their then-existing contract. They decided to take drastic measures to force the other party to agree to a more favorable contract. Life goes on. 68.84.224.36 (talk) 07:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Name?
The article says his name is Seth Woodbury McFarlane, but the caption under his name says Seth Dinglebury McFarlane. Am I missing something? SexyIrishLeprechaun (talk) 10:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Vandalism happens.  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   05:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I will second that concern, with a guy like him how can we trust the name to be in any way correct? :) he looks more like half asian half jewish, and the name Seth suggests some jewish background. 85.83.19.103 (talk) 18:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)Dan Frederiksen

Dating Eliza Dushku
wondering if we should put this in the article, per WP:BLP?  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   02:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I say go ahead, why not, it adds to his love life  C t j f 8 3 Talk 02:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Natural Voice
Does anybody know what his natural voice is? I know that he sounded like his character Brian on the Family Guy 100th Anniversary Special. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Art10 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * He sounds like Brian, IRL. You can find videos on YouTube confirming this.  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   03:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

link
Why TF does Griffin Family link to pornography? Vandalism!--69.112.229.71 (talk) 22:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21


 * No idea what link you are referring to, or why you are reporting it here. / edg ☺ ☭ 23:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Pornogra[hy? That is no where in the article. Where did you get that from? but if it is in the article, I agree that Family Guy is for the use of humourous entertainment and doesn't show any private human body parts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CelineDeStar (talk • contribs) 11:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It was vandalism. This has been solved almost 9 months ago.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  13:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Down Syndrome
There is a mention of MacFarlane having Down Syndrome. Looks like vandalism, but the edit window doesn't have the text. Is this hacking? Can it be removed? 68.188.82.251 (talk) 01:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's vandalism. No, it's not hacking. IPs can edit wikipedia. I removed the vandalism quickly because it is a violation of BLP. If you see such unsourced material in the future, I suggest you remove the text.  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   01:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Featured Article/Expansion of FG section
I am working on getting this to be featured. All needed is for the FG section to be expanded. (i.e. Family Guy Live, criticsm, etc.). More can be found in my sandbox.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  05:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  17:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I have added to the Family Guy section by giving more voice to the Parents Television Council. The issue was that the article Criticism of Family Guy violated NPOV by including an extraneous quote of MacFarlane's in a centered box. I felt that the quote was placed in poor taste and moved that quote to this article in an expanded explanation of Family Guy's criticisms.Sjrsimac (talk) 22:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

FAC candadiacy
This article has been been withdrawn as a featured article candidacy at the nominator's request. Please leave the FAC template in place as it needed by the FAC bot to close the process properly. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 19:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Objectivity
I cleaned up some gratuitous parts:
 * Being a popular college speaker....
 * At Hanna-Barbera, MacFarlane a "self-proclaimed genius"..."
 * MacFarlane is a popular guest to college campuses.
 * Politically, MacFarlane is a devoted Democrat.

Coloneldoctor (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

Brent Bozell has some more criticism in his article, Fox's "Comedic Genius". Asteriks (talk) 14:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

"Two-time Emmy Award Winning..."
Reduced it to "Emmy Award winning..." in opening paragraph due to clumsiness of front-loaded information which is picked up in awards section. Coloneldoctor (talk) 21:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Redundancy
Listing every character he voices in opening frontloads an already bulky article. I had amended this, but it was reverted.Coloneldoctor (talk) 02:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

I reamended it.Coloneldoctor (talk) 02:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

Personal Info Cleaned Up
Split the second paragraph between the two items relating to dating and MacFarlane's unmarried status, and his atheism, which was stuck between them.Coloneldoctor (talk) 17:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Appreciate your work, however, I don't agree with your positioning of his atheism as a one sentence paragraph, which goes against MOS.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  17:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Moved MacFarlane's statements about his personal beliefs on gay rights and gay marriage as they do not fit the model of political work (they are personal comments, and were not made as part of dedicated political activism). Plus, they harmonise much better with the difficult issue of his atheism, which was out of place in the preceding paragraph, which is essentially dedicated to dating information and marital status. This aids the fact flow immensely.
 * In future please do not extend "appreciation," as this can be construed as sounding careerist, and defeats spirit of developing community-generated knowledge base vis a vis Khruschev's comments from memoirs. Thank you.Coloneldoctor (talk) 05:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No one owns this article. As long as the article fits with BLP, should be fine, regardless.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  18:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Look up "carreerist" vis a vis Khruchev before talking about ownership. Foundation in Divine Right of Kings might help. Google "megalomania" if still stuck, "narcissism" if none of this makes any sense.Coloneldoctor (talk) 14:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you are talking about, but you are making changes which kind of go against manual of style.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  14:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Academia should remain impersonal. Whenever someone extends appreciation in RT research projects, they get the same reaction--the integrity and success of a group project belongs to the parent project or movement it belongs to. Workers have no right to judge what is meritous, nor to extend "appreciation," which takes on executive authority. This causes fractious sentiments and undermines the integrity and success of the parent project. Vis a Vis (read it this time) Khruschev's expressed consternation in his memoirs about self-important workers undermining the integrity of the Soviet State. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coloneldoctor (talk • contribs)
 * Seriously, I don't know what you are talking about, but on Wikipedia we have a set of rules and guidelines we have to abide. I think your attacks need to stop and concentrate on improving the article. Editing on Wikipedia isn't that serious, and If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  17:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * These are not personal attacks, and you can only take them as so if you are, in fact, guilty of the counterproductive, self-centred attitude of which I'm speaking, obviously to no avail. And if you're so adamant about spouting rules instead of merely considering the value of realising the world doesn't revolve around you, consider the idea of remaining IMPERSONAL in your comments. Both you and Avuncularosis shame we highly successful academicians with this pissy sort of behaviour.Coloneldoctor (talk) 18:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Activism and the Writers' Strike
Took elements of Writers' Strike not directly relevant to Family Guy and placed them in their own category in Personal Info. This prioritises the information and aids fact-flow about MacFarlane's personal life.Coloneldoctor (talk) 05:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

"Bankable"
"Bankable" is a Hollywood term, but has no proper representation on Wikipedia. Therefore I changed it to "established." Coloneldoctor (talk) 14:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you put bankable. IMHO, I don't think it should matter.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  14:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It was included, by WHOEVER (we're a faceless group concerned with accuracy, remember?) and I changed it, because you removed the brackets around "bankable" while I was creating an entry for it. I realised the futility of attempting to clarify something when a hypervigilant, possessive fan is crowding around an article. The protocol sniping was great evidence of this, and I remind you that Wikipedia operates on GOOD FAITH, not acting out your little hurt fan feelings.


 * Plus I remind you that overall, this article was basically a slightly-amended, badly written fan rave before I gave it a more professional working over. I maintain, according to the GOOD FAITH part of the abovementioned guidelines, that it was detrimental to Wikipedia's integrity, as well as that of its subject, Mr. MacFarlane. Operating from the GOOD FAITH principle, the protocol sniping (you'll learn about that after high school) was unnecessary and easily amended. Based on these criteria, it is starting to appear as if someone resented their Grade 7-level prose being corrected, although I do not make that accusation, because I operate on GOOD FAITH. Coloneldoctor (talk) 17:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Calm down, Coloneldoctor. Miranda is a longtime and productive contributor to Wikipedia, with a great deal of good article work, so I'm sure she is aware of the policies (including WP:MOS) and has Wikipedia's interests at heart. Discuss the content, not the contributor, please. <strong style="color:#000">Avruch 17:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I also suggest you calm down and take a break. The article passed good article before you even edited the article. So, this article wasn't "badly" written. And, I also suggest you quit making attacks on me or other editors.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  17:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Er, the suggestion I calm down is ridiculous. I made no personal attack, merely characterised the poor writing quality of the article when I encountered it. It was indeed something a Grade Seven ESL student would compose. If someone took offense, they are guilty of the exact self-centred attitude I mentioned in the first place, for the only way they could take offense would be to claim authorship/ownership of the article--which is the EXACT sentiment I detected and noted regarding the user Miranda and their misplaced, wholly inappropriate "appreciation". Avruch, please keep your opinions to yourself.
 * Your interdiction in this single issue, which I remind you both centres around GOOD FAITH (not Wiki buds), is wholly inappropriate and comes across like some prepubescent boy sticking up for the girl he has a crush on. It is merely the QUALITY of the article I care about, and both of you have, most unprofessionally, turned it into a personal squabble. I note Avruch's use of protocol sniping, and refer to my previous explanation, and add that instead of acting like a spoiled brat, actually working to edit the Wikipedia would serve a much better purpose.
 * If instead some sort of wholly inappropriate rank-peddling power response is forthcoming from either of you, then might I suggest you both learn how COMMUNAL projects operate, get over yourselves, and quit bothering we highly successful academicians in our noble work to rid the world of Grade Seven fan bios.Coloneldoctor (talk) 18:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I responded to you, in part, on my talkpage. As a highly successful academic I'm sure you understand the value of a collegiate atmosphere, without personal insults or offensive insinuations. A calm and polite environment is vital to collaborative editing, which is why we have a number of policies on Wikipedia governing editing conduct. I would not want to see an accomplished individual such as yourself removed from the project because of a misunderstanding over conduct policies. <strong style="color:#000">Avruch 20:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Essential to a collegiate atmosphere is the noble humility scholarship demands. My only issue with the Miranda user was the blatant lack thereof. Your laughable threat of of having me removed from the project over the megalomania and unprofessionalism of self-centred editors would only serve to cement Wikipedia's critics' conviction that it is run by half-educated prima donas. I suggest you take your abusive heterophobic behaviour to the West Bank and club little kids over the head with it, as it is wholly inappropriate here.Colonel Doctor21:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.47.31.6 (talk)

Speculation on Lovelife
Unless it's coming from a reliable source, blogs excluded, do not insert speculation, per BLP.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  05:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Cartoon Calvlcade of Comedy
Okay, I heard on the FOX News Channel, about a month ago, that Seth partnered up with Google to do a web-series for them and their sister website, YouTube, called "Seth MacFarlane's Cartoon Calvelcade of Comedy," and that the show would just basicly be like comic strips. Can anyone conform that? --BrianGriffin-FG (talk) 22:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I confirmed it myself. Here's a link to the article I use as proof: TV Squad/Jul 9th 2008 Now my question is, can we mention this on the article? --BrianGriffin-FG (talk) 23:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I agree. Put the note in. However, also fix the "Loveline" appearance, too.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  04:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

'Canadian Ancestry'?
Last time I checked, 'Canadian' is neither a race nor an ethnic group. Just because his great-grandparents were from Canada shouldn't give liberty to label him as 'partly Canadian.' While Welsh, English and Scottish is perfectly acceptable, calling him an 'American of Canadian Descent' just doesn't make much sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.76.80 (talk) 01:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Unnecessary Paragraph
[Previous comments deleted]


 * As I have tried to tell you previously, reliable sources are necessary to insert information into the article. You, your IP, and another IP, have been disrupting the article by taking the fact that "he is an atheist" out of the article. The gay magazine is a reliable, since it is published and a reliable third party source. You Tube is not a reliable source, as I repeated to you before. Since we are dealing with a living person, which has very strict rules (as seen per policy as I have repeated to you above), reliable sources are necessary. You have continuously inserted information which is contra to Wikipedia's rules to the point of disruption, and I kindly suggest for you to stop doing so. Also, whenever you blankly delete sections on which you feel that aren't important is ownership. I suggest for you in the future, since we are dealing with a BLP, to reach consensus on the talk page before deleting certain sections. If you continue to violate these policies, you will be most likely blocked.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda   03:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Please don't let any editors bully you, Randomface. It is not appropriate for casual threats of blocks to be thrown around.  Go read over the relevant guidelines and policies, and then come back and make your edits in pursuit of improving the encyclopedia.  Be especially aware of the guidelines involving edit wars and the three-revert-rule, as well as the special concerns given to articles which deal with people.  If you are blocked inappropriately, especially for simply disagreeing with another editor, please feel free to use the "email this user" link on my user page and I will take a look at the issue.  Thank you for your attempts to contribute to the project and good luck.  kmccoy (talk) 03:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Check the Info
Yeah, I didn't think the sentence, "MacFarlane was born to a Giant penis on 1973 in Kent, Connecticut, father was a fawn, and mother was a half penis, half cupid flying unicorn" is right, so I deleted it. I think it might be time to semi-protect this page. With all due respect, BrianGriffin-FG (talk) 21:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:RFPP is that way.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  22:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Political beliefs section
I'm not sure of the rules strictly speaking on this, so I'm not editing, but the phrases 'shame the bush administration' and refering to the achievement of a political agenda via a cartoon series (or indeed using it as a platform at all) seems a little soapbox to me for a wiki article, I notice the entries were made by a anon editor (which is a catagory I admittedly fall into also) and they dont seem to fit the tone of the article. I agree his political view should be stated but believe the statements go a little far and could do with a reword. Thoughs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.161.13 (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not sure when this was added, and as thus don't know how old it is. However, if there are reliable sources stating his political leanings and criticism of President George W. Bush and his administration and kept clean, I don't see why a couple of sentences illustrating the point couldn't be added. Briguy52748 (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)]]

Atheism
While MacFarlane may or may not be an atheist, we need a reliable source, not a "gossip magazine" claiming that he is an atheist.  <font color="#960018">m <font color="#E75480">ir <font color="#F6ADC6">a <font color="#E75480">nd <font color="#960018">a  18:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Provided source.  m <font color="#4CBB17">ir <font color="#ADFF2F">a <font color="#4CBB17">nd  a   17:27, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Here, I don't really know what to do, but I have a reference. http://www.afterelton.com/blog/brianjuergens/family-guy-creator-seth-macfarlane-not-gay-stewie-almost-certainly-is?&comment=32841  Just search for the word atheist. 71.59.187.238 (talk) 11:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

In his interview with Bill Maher's Real time epsode on May 8 2009 Seth said himself he was Atheist. I think we can be 100% sure that he is one and I think we should be should put it in. --Fire 55 (talk) 06:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's a link to an News article about it --Fire 55 (talk) 07:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

"Deft" Father
While we can agree that American Dad's father character is deft, how can one give Family Guy's father Peter the same claim? They are complete opposites. MPA 15:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MPA (talk • contribs)
 * That would be proper on the Family Guy and American Dad articles. Not here.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  04:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

FlashForward
Seth will be in the new ABC drama series "FlashForward", according to its co-creator. 201.92.234.136 (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We need a link per BLP.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  04:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Birth Place
The article mentions 2 different birth places: Australia (under the photo) and Connecticut (in the Early Life section). I wasn't able to confirm either one by a quick google search. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.65.63 (talk) 14:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1.) He was born in CT. The Australian edit was vandalism. 2.) Don't rely on Google search to get a confirmation link on a living person.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  20:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Fix Refs to Citation Format
Can someone please fix 56-7; and 61-4 to citation format? Thanks.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  06:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  09:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Releated to Robert McFarlane
Is he by any chance releated to Robert McFarlane? 86.41.110.123 (talk) 22:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Gage (talk) 23:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)