Talk:Sex industry/Archives/2014

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First of all, when there is an article about a website, such as SuicideGirls, we link the article, not the website.

Second of all, what have "online casino" and games such as "Grand Theft Auto" to do with sex industry? Gambling and video games clearly belong to different industries... bogdan 14:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

could someone add a statistic on how much money this industry produces on a yearly basis etc. 07:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seeasea (talk • contribs)

No Alternative Viewpoint
This page has no alternative links on it. I'm doing the only thing I know to do and that is to put the npov on it. Links have been removed that present another viewpoint. --Nikkicraft 19:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

This article is very Euro-centric, especially in the intro. I live in South Korea, and read this article because I wanted to know how big Korea's enormous sex industry was compared with other countries. Instead I found a lot of stuff about "universal notions of beauty", which are not that at all, but only European notions of beauty a couple of hundred years ago.

Please expand the article to include Asia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.5.253.175 (talk) 09:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

trying to find answer on movie about sex industry
since google is apparently broken for anything porn related...anyways what was that movie about where the wife of the husband is having sex on the floor of a barbeque scene and the husband shoots himself then the guys and the wife at the very end, its for religion and its effects upon society. The whole abraham sarah thing, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.42.105 (talk) 00:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

prostitution links

 * links belong on a diff. page. TurntableX 06:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What is the reasoning for putting links on another page for the "sex industy" page? Other Wikipedia pages have related "External Links" that represent different viewpoints on the page of the article. If not this article is just one of many Wikipedia promo pieces for prostitution POV. --Nikkicraft 11:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

If you'll notice, this page barely even refers to prostitution, it's mostly about the business behind pornography. If you want to add links critical of the sex industry as such, that could be relevant. AnonEMouse (squeak) 17:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Merger proposal: Sex industry + Sex worker
Someone proposed a merger, so here's a place to discuss that proposal. Alfons Åberg 20:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I'm against it. As the pages say, "sex worker" is usually a euphemism for prostitute, while "sex industry" is usually a euphemism for pornography. They're not the same things; while there are some minor porn stars who do prostitution, it is not the rule for the major ones: Tera Patrick and Jenna Jameson and so forth. Same for the most famous prostitutes: Sydney Biddle Barrows and Heidi Fleiss are not major players in pornography. I'm not a big editor of either page, though, so I'm willing to listen for arguments the other way. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 21:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I proposed the merger. My argument is that "sex workers" is are the workers related to the work for sexual arousal, such as stripping, porn, prostitution, and the "sex industry" is the industry of work for sexual arousal, strip bars, porn, protitution brothels. This means that they are really the same subject.--Dwarf Kirlston 02:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Dwarf that "sex worker" is not a euphemism for "prostitute". The sex industry includes porn, prostitution, stripping and phone sex (Jill Nagle ed., Whores and Other Feminists). However, as far as merging the two - there is an argument to be made that the "sex industry" includes things like trafficking women and pedophilia sex tourism - trafficked women and indentured children are not sex workers. "Sex work" is a self-identifying nomenclature signifying an adult's uncoerced choice to engage in sexual activity for financial benefit. I'll have to go back and pull out my books but I'm thinking there is plenty of information to fill out both articles without too much overlap of material. Thoughts? Phyesalis (talk) 07:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The following orgs/sources consider a broad range of "sex work":
 * http://www.sexworkersproject.org/links/RightsAndSupport.php
 * http://www.bayswan.org/ Carol Leigh
 * http://www.sexworkmatters.net/index.htm


 * Actually I have been doing a bit of untangling and reformatting over at Sex worker and I think I can see what a major part of the problem is. Three (3) of the sections Sex Tourism, Performance Evaluations and Military actually belong in the industry article not the actual article about  employment.


 * Just FYI I went to other employment and labour related articles (such as Construction worker) and am going to lean heavily on them as a model of proper format and sub-topics for inclusion. CyntWorkStuff (talk) 20:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think that sex industry and sex worker should be merged. I do not think that someone who is a street walker is necessarily a part of the sex *industry* per se nor do I think that a small privately owned topless go-go bar is necessarily a part of it either.  Industry denotes big business interests. Although many sex workers do belong to the part of the sex industry that does make millions of dollars; many do not.  The article on the sex industry should focus on the business as such and this article should remain separate but linked (of course.) The history and development of the term sex worker as well as the sex worker rights movement is an entirely different topic, needing its own entry. And as an aside to a comment above: the term sex worker can include trafficked persons as they are classically understood as well as people who engage in erotic labor consensually.NoMonaLisa (talk) 03:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The best way to handle it is thus: "Worker" refers to a person and his or her employment.  "Industry" is one of many terms that refers to a business.  This being the case, they should remain separate unless you can find some way to create an over-arching term to include both the "worker" and the business.Rapierman (talk) 01:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Video games & online casinos
What does this section have to do with the sex industry? It now reads, "In recent years, adult video game producers have adapted to trends in art, communications, technology and entertainment. What was once an underground and mostly disconnected group of programmers and designers has evolved - over the last decade - into a cohesive economic and powerful business subculture. Experts in vending, gaming and biometrics routinely collaborate on new trends within all facets of adult gaming." Where's the part that ties it into sex? I don't see anything here that's even remotely related. Accordingly, I'm removing this section entirely; if someone wants to put it back, that's cool with me, but if that happens, I think it should be an action that includes the addition of material that justifies its presence in the article. -- Captain Disdain (talk) 07:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * What they are referring to is the fact that some video games and online casinos have sexual references and visual cues, though not necessarily explicit. These items can range from the extremely mild and subtle all the way to outright explicit and can fall anywhere in-between.  This falls under the ESRB rating.  The basic premise in its inclusion is the advertising philosophy of "sex sells" (i.e., the sexually-connotated images are what drives a person to purchase the product instead of the actual content itself).  However, there is now a rise in massive-multiplayer organized role-playing games on the Internet that have outright explicit sexual themes (and I have seen two of them), so there is some relevance to this subject.Rapierman (talk) 01:06, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

"Not Suitable for children?"
"These services are described as adult entertainment, as they provide forms of entertainment not considered suitable for children."

I think this is a western point of view, and not all societies consider these forms of entertainment "Not suitable to children" I think it could be rephrased to be more specific as to who considers it not suitable for children.

Just a thought for improvement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.243.127 (talk) 00:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Euphemism
The word "adult" is used repeatedly in this article as a euphemism. It's not meant literally; the people involved are not always adults. Can't some more to-the-point terms be used? Michael Hardy (talk) 14:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Much as I would like to, that's the only term I know. The word refers to the intended recipient; it's not meant to be viewed by those under the legal age of consent.Rapierman (talk) 01:10, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Text copy/pasted from feminist blog
"Not all people . . . women of color are overrepresented[13]"

I'm not familiar with Wikipedia's policies on reliable sources and copyright infringement, but I strongly suspect that this violates at least two. Removing until further argued. 108.66.52.134 (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit: In case it's relevant, the blog is http://feministcurrent.com/7143/there-is-no-feminist-war-on-sex-workers/ 108.66.52.134 (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for picking it up. I've warned the user that added the material. --GraemeL (talk) 18:10, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Comment
the term 'the industry' is very vague.

Industry?
I searched with words 'porn industry' and was redirected here, and the article is pretty much a disappointment. This is a bit naive presentation about the subject, and big part of it is about sales and morality of sales, rather than industry. In Pornography, under paragraph "Commercialism" this is named as main article. However that paragraph is more about porn industry than this whole article. Porn industry is a major industry, sex trade (also redirected here) is a major business, and here it's said without sources, that "The sex industry employs hundreds of people each day." Is this really international number for all people included in porn industry and sex trade? Come on, get real.

To handle this issue correctly there should be different articles to pornography (content and material), porn industry (industry creating pornographic material), sex trade (selling sex and porn), sex worker (occupation) etc. --Ukas (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hundreds each day
I agree with Ukas. This is waaaaaaaay too low, surely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.127.56.78 (talk) 04:54, 24 October 2014 (UTC)