Talk:Shadow ministry of Tony Abbott

Deputy Leader of the Opposition
Is this post held by Bishop or Truss? This page is not in sync with National Party of Australia. Timrollpickering (talk) 02:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

According to the Parliament of Australia website Bishop is the Deputy Leader. --AussieLegend (talk) 03:59, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Bishop is the deputy opposition leader. The opposition is the Liberal party, not the coalition —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.203.50 (talk) 11:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Truss is the deputy opposition leader, Bishop is the deputy Liberal leader. Leader of a party is a party position, not a cabinet/shadow cabinet position. Timeshift (talk) 11:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Bishop holds the title of Deputy Leader of the Opposition. Every Deputy Liberal leader in Opposition since Philip Lynch in 1972 to 1975, has held that title even though the Nationals leader does become Deputy Prime Minister when the Coalition is in Government. The reason why Lynch the then Deputy Liberal Leader in the aforementioned period held the title of Deputy Leader of the Opposition was because then Liberal Leader Billy Snedden had refused to give the title to Country Party (as the Nationals were called back then) leader Doug Anthony. The practice of the Deputy Liberal Leader being the Deputy Opposition Leader continued afterwards.--The Shadow Treasurer (talk) 03:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Possible name change
I was wondering if perhaps this article should be called "Shadow Ministry" rather than "Shadow Cabinet", with the obvious redirect from Shadow Cabinet. Some oppositions don't differentiate between sections of the ministry (eg Shadow Cabinet (Australia) December 2006 to November 2007) while others do and this can be confusing. Renaming the article would provide consistency between parties. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, when there is a difference, we could be model it on Official Opposition Shadow Cabinet (United Kingdom) and Official opposition frontbench (UK). The former is like this article, and the latter is arranged by portfolio, with separate tables showing the principal spokesperson and the supporting junior ministers for each one. I don't suggest including all the party offices or the inconsistency in the names of the articles.


 * When there is no difference, we could do as you say and make "Shadow Cabinet" a redirect to "Shadow Ministry". Since the same page is used as leaders and parties change, there's no reason we couldn't continue go back and forth as the situation requires. If we are afraid of turnover in editors (i.e., loss of institutional memory), a comment could be added to the top of the edit box in "Shadow Ministry" informing editors of the practice. -Rrius (talk) 04:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Added ref for complete shadow cabinet list
Complete list available here, added as ref to portfolio heading in table. Update as needed. Timeshift (talk) 02:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Original doc here, for verification: . Shadow cabinet lists on the Liberal party website tend to be ephemeral though :-) --Surturz (talk) 02:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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